<b>Jaypatelani:</b> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Dell-Joins-Khronos

Jaypatelani: Dell Joins The Khronos Group

Hi jay

Jaypatelani: .:VMS:. (Telegram): hi

XD

What license has sh?

Jaypatelani: Hmm

VVelox: aaron: What issues have you run into?

VVelox: wait, you mean on netbsd, not freebsd... n/m

<b>Quillasp:</b> aaron: How can I point to a custom mirror, for pkg_add ? I tried with PKG_PATH="https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/distfiles//" but pkg_add couldn't install neovim

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> Quillasp: https://unitedbsd.com/t/openbsd-101-install-software/39 :)

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> Quillasp: Mirror list https://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> Quillasp: Mirror list https://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html

<b>Quillasp:</b> Jaypatelani: there isn't neovim in, for example, http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/pub/OpenBSD/6.1/packages/amd64/ And if I set ftp://ftp.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/distfiles/ in the /etc/installurl, it will tell me that it couldn't find ftp://ftp.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/distfiles/6.1/packages/amd64/ And when I do `export PKG_PATH="ftp://ftp.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/distfiles/", it will tell me that it couldn't find neovim ^^'

Quillasp: I was wondering how can I set a custom PKG_PATH correctly ^^'

Quillasp: sorry, https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/distfiles// instead of ftp://ftp.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/distfiles/

Quillasp: my bad

<b>Quillasp:</b> Jaypatelani: does the PKG_PATH need an url with the $(uname -r) and the $(arch -s) ?

<b>aaron:</b> Quillasp: You can just hardcode the path. But it looked like you where pointing to the base directory for the US one, and 6.1/packages/amd64 for the Swiss one.

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. (Telegram): The original probably has some weird public domain or AT&T one. Check the NetBSD source tree to see what their /bin/sh is licensed to.

aaron: VVelox: Which comment about issues? In the FreeBSD ports infrastructure?

aaron: VVelox: Cause the lua stuff is a mess in there, and I still haven’t had time to send in patches. :P

<b>Quillasp:</b> aaron: I originally choose the Swiss one in the installurl file. But I wanted to install the neovim package and it seems it's not in a classic path, and I'm not sure how to set it correctly with PKD_PATH

aaron: Where is it at? Is that just the ports mirror?

<b>Quillasp:</b> https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/distfiles//

<b>aaron:</b> I don’t know what that directory is, and I’m on mobile so I can’t check, but that looks like the ports tree.

aaron: If you manually download one of those and peek in it, is it just source?

Quillasp: Yeah, it seems so

<b>aaron:</b> I’ll go yell at someone in #openbsd:matrix.org, see if it’s actually in packages yet.

<b>aaron:</b> Someone in there has been portioning and maintaining it.

aaron: (As far as I know, the port works perfectly. But you gotta download the ports tree.)

Quillasp: Okay

<b>Quillasp:</b> But if I don't the tar.gz file, would I be able to install it with make install or should I follow the instructions in the neovim's github?

Quillasp: *download

aaron: Quillasp: Nah, it’ll be a package in 6.2. (It’s available in -current.)

<b>aaron:</b> And no, it’s part of the ports tree. There’s a little more infrastructure there then just snagging a tarball and building it.

<b>aaron:</b> Jaypatelani can point you to the correct page in the handbook for working with ports, I’m terrible at them.

LibreSSL 2.6.2 Released... #OpenBSD https://t.co/mzpEhJvjdv— BSDSec.net (@BSDSec) September 26, 2017 September 26, 2017 at 08:12PM via Twitter https://twitter.com/BSDSec

I'm grateful to be running HardenedBSD instead of Linux today: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/09/26/16

Oh fun

Quillasp: is HardenedBSD more secure than OpenBSD ?

I'm not sure, but they both have a lot of similar security principles being used. Would be difficult to say which is more secure with what I know.

"more secure" is subjective and cannot be quantified

More secure by default? XD

Security comes from user and not from OS. But OS can have good conf by default

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> Quillasp: it doesn't matter which OS you give to monkey .. Monkey gonna press button with banana stickers on it.. I think it also depends on user/admin etc..

<b>Quillasp:</b> Jaypatelani: I like this one (X

Jaypatelani: Both OSes are focusing on security which is good :)

We are talking about openbsd backdoors in other group

de la lista de openbsd https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2

XD

Idl if are rumors made by an envy person or really it was truth

Idk*

Idl if are rumors made by an envy person or really it was truth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD#Alleged_FBI_backdoor_investigated

Security comes from user and not from OS. But OS can have good conf by default

??

[RSS Bot [@Jaypatelani:matrix.org]] Berkeley Software Distribution posted a new article: Not here to start a political debate, but to have discussion. I'm anti-copyright, anti-IP. I personally like the MIT/BSD licenses more than copyleft licenses like GPL because of my anti-copyright ideals. Thoughts about this? ( https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/72mjhi/not_here_to_start_a_political_debate_but_to_have/ )

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. (Telegram): The code, commit history, sign offs, (and I believe the discussion) for that change were all open. So you can judge by yourself.

<b>aaron:</b> Quillasp: I don’t think you’ll get a non-political answer to the OpenBSD vs everything else question.

<b>aaron:</b> Theo was taking pot shots at the FreeBSD security team sometime after cperciva left over ssh bugs.

<b>aaron:</b> You’ve also got the whole capsicum vs pledge debate. OpenBSD won’t adopt capsicum because they think it’s overly complicated, FreeBSD is unlikely to adopt pledge.

aaron: Shawn Webb (Telegram): Do you know offhand what the state of libressl on FreeBSD/TrustedBSD is? (I’m pretty sure that one is completely non-political, just a lot of testing.)

aaron: in FreeBSD, it's only available as a port

TrustedBSD has been dead for quite a number of years

aaron: Shawn Webb (Telegram): Err, HardenedBSD. Confused their names for some reason. :P

HardenedBSD has LibreSSL 2.5.5 in base for 12-CURRENT and 11-STABLE

aaron: Shawn Webb (Telegram): Know offhand why it’s not in base on FreeBSD? Too much breakage?

FreeBSD developers don't really like LibreSSL

aaron: Any specific reasons? Other than just kinda ripping out stuff left and right?

you'll have to ask them

<b>aaron:</b> I don’t know any offhand to bother.

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222632 <- yay, fixed a thing!

welp, never mind about fixing the thing

FreeBSD's documentation is at odds with real life

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222632#c2

I'm writting a little bit about X

But it is in spanish

There are no doc about X in spain. No one likes it xD

There is* xD

aaron: I can read a little bit of Spanish. Not much though. :P

XD

Spanish guys can't say me anything about X. So if i'm wrong on something say it

I'm wrong. Since i'm saying Display it's the physical device and really it's screen the physical device

<b>aaron:</b> Monitor? They get called screen/display/monitor interchangeably.

Screen and display are different

Screen is the monitor. And display is more related about "the environment" or the pc

Display contains host. Protocol and screens

Now i got it

Display manages screen, keyboard and mice

<b>aaron:</b> Sorry for English. We use all those words to mean the physical device.

Really I enjoy it when i learn about X

And i'm translating official doc instead making my shit doc

Will be better. And ever i wished do that

<b>aaron:</b> I’m glad someone does. I’m still confused why a mouse and keyboard are tied to a screen, and why ejecting your mouse makes your display go away, taking your mouse and keyboard with it.

<b>aaron:</b> I’m sure that makes sense to someone, but I’m still trying to get it explained to me.

<b>aaron:</b> I’m pretty sure I’m looking at the same thing you’re reading about now, but from the driver level up.

aaron: (Which is honestly rather confusing and convoluted. Hopefully you can explain it to me. :P )