Oh lol there is the bugs section

I saw see also section and tought it was the end

It says exactly the same

And there is the sf keymap too

?

It was near from dvorak and i got distracted

<b>aaron:</b> Heh. Guess NetBSD doesn’t know how to spell Switzerland either.

Surely not. It's the same man page

I was comparing some man pages between net and openbsd

Most are exactly the same and

Openbsd developers changed few words to be less technically

It's obviously since openbsd was made from netbsd so had same man pages. They modified or expanded man pages as they wish

This is why man pages from openbsd are better than netbsd pages. Are the same but they expanded some "selected" man pages

<b>aaron:</b> NetBSD still pulls bug reports back in occasionally.

aaron: (Including to man pages.)

Idk what you mean

<b>aaron:</b> Documentation errors are treated as bugs on OpenBSD. NetBSD too, I believe.

I'm reading this book

I like how talks about netbsd

They don't know what is netbsd ?

<b>aaron:</b> What does NetBSD use anyway? I can’t remember.

I was looking about

Netbsd used by default csh

But changed to sh. Anyway while installing you must choose sh, csh or ksh

It say sh is the default while shows the menu to choose one

I guess they changed to sh to improve portability

What shell u like?

I need learn use a shell scripting language and i guess will be sh the best option

For my own scripts, I prefer sh for the following reasons: it is standardizedit is much simpler and easier to learnit is portable across POSIX systems — even if they happen not to havebash, they are required to have sh There are advantages to using bash as well. Its features make programming more convenient and similar to programming in other modern programming languages. These include things like scoped local variables and arrays. Plain sh is a very minimalistic programming language. I like this

Difference between sh and bash - Stack Overflow https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5725296/difference-between-sh-and-bash

Idk why I love NetBSD. I have the theory i love it because is a good choice for embedded systems, but are other embedded OSes maybe better for that work. And i think may be i love it because i have the strange feeling this OS will teach me a lot of things

It's like other's can't teach the things netbsd will teach me. Idk why i think this. But i think it xD

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. (Telegram): For my user shell, I use tcsh because it has the nicest defaults for the most minimal install and setup. It feels on par or zsh or bash in terms of features, but it’s much more responsive.

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. (Telegram): For shell scripts, I target posix shell with ksh extensions because I’m lazy. That gives me the best portability, and they generally work on bash. It’s rare to be writing something that’s not posix complaint though, and when you are, you should consider using perl or something.

Netbsd comes without perl i guess

I will try to use most basic and general things

I want few dependencies and portability

I will try use the software netbsd provides without need to install anything more. So i guess on some things will be impossible. But i see it's or will be a good idea

<b>aaron:</b> It comes on OpenBSD.

And i wish some day help at netbsd development

<b>aaron:</b> I recently did some programming with only the base OpenBSD install, just to prove it’s possible.

What you think i can do to help netbsd atm while i'm starting

I guess noth

<b>aaron:</b> That involves getting web pages with ftp and piping them to more though.

Nothing*

<b>aaron:</b> Report all errors and unclear bits in the documentation.

I'm reading it. Seems all is fine

<b>aaron:</b> No one wants to read the manual, and those who do don’t want to take the time to report issues, or write it better.

Yeah that's right

aaron: (Which is why OpenBSD treats all documentation errors and priority 1 bugs.)

Btw where is Jay?

XD

<b>aaron:</b> He comes and goes.

<b>aaron:</b> He was around Friday or Saturday.

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. (Telegram): Also, go create a blog to write about what you’re learning.

<b>aaron:</b> You know enough now to do that.

Yeah i like write what i know because you refresh your memory and helps you to understand better what you've learned

But i don't want make a blog just now. I can post it everywhere or save it on

Hard disk

Yeah. Netbsd comes without perl. No perl. No python. No git no nothing xD

And no text-browser i guess

We were comparing about gentoo. Netbsd have less sh

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. (Telegram): Making a blog is also a simple programming project. It forces you to start writing code, not just text.

<b>aaron:</b> Gentoo uses bash by default.

Less things than gentoo. And a fresh netbsd install haves more lightweight size than gentoo

<b>aaron:</b> I dunno how much stuff still depends on it though. Someone probably ported their init scripts to ash.

And a very big dependence to python since portage was written in python

<b>aaron:</b> Iunno what NetBSD is at these days, but Gentoo was pretty small when I installed it.

Gentoo comes with python and with git

<b>aaron:</b> OpenBSD has a pretty good install size too. 1.4 MB still for the floppy image.

Not sure about git

<b>aaron:</b> Gentoo comes with a manual. That’s all. You don’t have to install anything you don’t want.

And idk if gentoo comes with perl and more languages

aaron: They recommend you install a kernel and binutils though. (They’re required for compiling, at least.)

Yeah but you don't want install gentoo without portage

<b>aaron:</b> Yea, they recommend you install portage too.

Anyway pkgsrc it's bigger in size than portage

Since with pkgsrc u extract all makefiles and directories to be able install packages just typing make install

<b>aaron:</b> Size doesn’t matter much.

<b>aaron:</b> Oh, disk space.

<b>aaron:</b> You can just use packages like a normal person.

I like how it works pkgsrc i want learn about it

Yeah i use binaries. Just of o have some troubles with net i go try with make

<b>aaron:</b> I hate the ports system. It’s needlessly clunky, and antagonistic towards the package manager for no reason.

Nerds like compile things

Ports system resolves dependences

<b>aaron:</b> Some days.

Btw I compiled chromium in freebsd

<b>aaron:</b> None of them seem to do a good job embedding dependency information, or divining valid dependency profiles from binary packages.

Just make install and resolve two depen

<b>aaron:</b> Pkg-ng from FreeBSD does it the best, but their ports infrastructure is a mess.

Chromium failed while compiling ffmepg aand poppler. Poppler was marked as insecure and refused to install it

<b>aaron:</b> Such is life.

So i've resolved dependences with pkg install and back to make install again