Good Morning

Hey all

Coffee is programmers' life saver :)

Fuel. :)

Hell yae

It does too on Gnome - whenever i maximize it chromium doesnt get it and flickers the size difference like crazy and in screenshots it cuts out the maximized part. Its really annoying.

Huh? For me it never did

Running Fedora 26 Workstation

But also on F25 it never did

Hey all

Is LineageOS libre?

No Android is libre

But for a reason

Is linux virus free? And why?

Pretty much you won't have problems wit them because most are written with windows in mind

Is linux virus free? And why?

it's not virus free, it's just not many targeting linux user

if i'm correct, some can even accidentaly work trough wine

Is linux virus free? And why?

Linux has low enough market share that virus writers usually don't target Linux beside some occasional proof-of-concepts, which are harmless

+ there are certain safeguards, like SELinux, which may provide some degree of protection against some viruses

+ there are certain safeguards, like SELinux, which may provide some degree of protection against some viruses

+ execution and user/groups permission.

+ execution and user/groups permission.

these are a little more than an inconvenience, mac has the same and it doesn't offer much of protection

these are a little more than an inconvenience, mac has the same and it doesn't offer much of protection

> Mac

these are a little more than an inconvenience, mac has the same and it doesn't offer much of protection

No autorun a least. Which is the most common way viruses operate.

No autorun a least. Which is the most common way viruses operate.

autorun.inf? do any viruses use that as a main mode in the last 10 years?

autorun.inf? do any viruses use that as a main mode in the last 10 years?

Sadly those still a thing on XP and W7 users.

Sadly those still a thing on XP and W7 users.

Both W7 and XP are now asking what to do when a media is inserted; I would rather assume that most infections are done either using social engineering or some exploits

both of which are just as dangerous on Linux as they are somewhere else, though the exploit part is more or less covered by SELinux, in the future maybe sandboxing from Flatpaks

Is linux virus free? And why?

Userspace applications can do what userspace applications can do. Calling for ex. a cryptolocker a virus is a bit exaggerated. It does, what it's supposed to do, you have executed it, so you take the responsibility for your encrypted user account. The others don't get infected.

So yeah you can get a 'virus'

Wayland allows for sandboxing so... maybe use that

Wayland allows for sandboxing so... maybe use that

Isn't Wayland's sandboxing only the windowing system? So you cannot access contents of other windows, but the underlying application doesn't have to be sandboxed at all - but yeah, it's also very important and missing in X

Userspace applications can do what userspace applications can do. Calling for ex. a cryptolocker a virus is a bit exaggerated. It does, what it's supposed to do, you have executed it, so you take the responsibility for your encrypted user account. The others don't get infected.

what's stopping the userspace applications from further spreading? ;) you have access to all cookies from your browsers, you can do practically anything

User separation is strong enough, the problem is, how we use user separation is not how we should use it. You should really create a separate user per application like Android does, so that it can't write and read other app's config files. Who does that tho... Ohhh and if you do that, don't use ubuntu, ubuntu allows read access to all user homepoints. The biggest problem is actually X because as you said, apps can intercept a hella lot of things.

So yeah you can get a 'virus'

That's my answer Thaanks

That's my answer Thaanks

Lol

Welcome.

Welcome.

Hello.

Hello, where are ya frm ?

Hello, where are ya frm ?

I'm from germany.

Welcome aboard. :)

And guten tag.

I'm from germany.

Welcome, the first German guy here as fas as I know :)

Welcome, the first German guy here as fas as I know :)

Not the first definetly. :)

Thank you for the friendly welcome.

Not the first definetly. :)

At least among active members, unless @Wolfshappen is German

At least among active members, unless @Wolfshappen is German

He is.

it's just as stupid as buying 'capsule' coffee machines whose vendors will stop supplying the proprietary capsules after some time. You've bought this machine but you aren't allowed to make your own capsules because of 'copyright' so you have to throw that machine away. So you get a regular filter coffer machine that can use regular filters or self-made ones and people ask you "You have to do WHAT with the coffee filter? Fold it? How insane!"

Excuse me wat

I have a capsule coffee machine and have never purchased official (Nespresso) capsules.

There are LOTS of third party brands. It's illegal trying to block those. They used to carry a DRM chip like HP cartdriges. France ruled them illegal in the EU.

I have a capsule coffee machine and have never purchased official (Nespresso) capsules.

Open source only? :)

In fact there are refillable capsules too, your argument is invalid.

Not even mentioning that this is just a business model, where the coffee machines are cheaper than cost of their production, what is amortized by the capsules cost, just like in case of game consoles

Except capsule coffee machines are quite expensive.

there are refillable coffee machnes as well, but twise as expensive as the manufacturers business model doesn't take capsules into account

Not machines. Capsules.

Nespresso compatible capsules. Refillable.

Yes, but there are also machines which are not taking capsules, and they are way more expensive

No

Standard coffee machines are cheaper than capsule machines

At least when comparing the same ranges

Standard coffee machines are cheaper than capsule machines

+

Krups Nespresso Inissia XN1001 - about 75eur; De'Longhi Magnifica S ECAM 22.110.B - about 200eur

no idea how to say if they are the same range though

Absolutely not.

I can tell you that right away

then show me a machine in the same range as this Krups

as I don't know what to look for, just took one of the cheapest non-capsule non-crap machines in a price comparator ;)

Hamilton Beach 49980A Single Serve Coffee Brewer and Full Pot Coffee Maker, 2-Way https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00EI7DPPI/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1496225835&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=Coffee+brewer&dpPl=1&dpID=41bYc-1LQIL&ref=plSrch

How about that?

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Quite high end actually

Maybe more than the Nespresso

is it a pressure coffeemaker? (no idea how to say it in english)

I suppose you mean Italian style coffee maker

AKA espresso

not sure

Vs American AKA water coffee

Nespresso surely are Italian style

yeah, I think this is how you make Espresso (at least according to Wikipedia)

off topic :)

man I think we would need an offtopic channel ?

In fact there are refillable capsules too, your argument is invalid.

Sure you can, but the vendor tries to prevent it -> restrictive

Sure you can, but the vendor tries to prevent it -> restrictive

...

XD no.

I am not sure whether this discussion is going anywhere anymore

man I think we would need an offtopic channel ?

There's always the @siliconnetwork one

It's the same stupid argument as 'but you can use nouveau'. Yeah of course I can, but guess what, your shitty machine and it's docs doesn't tell me what kind of commands it takes so it's basically poking around in the dark, living on the moon. I tried to refill my ink for the printer, the chip detected the refill and now the printer is dead (Canon MP240) only prints stripes. How is that not restricting me? Sure I can build a workaround for that, but that's a waste of time, it's a restriction. Until the workaround is built, the printer is already 30 years old and obsolete and I wasted 30 years just because your shitty tanks have that stupid chip.

You've bought a cheaper printer which didn't allow for refills, so you've got what you paid for. I agree it is bad, but there's a reason why industrial printers which can be refilled all you want cost what they cost - because then the manufacturer doesn't make money on refills.

don't like it - vote with your wallet

don't like it - vote with your wallet

THIS

And again. Coffe makers are not an isssue regarding this.

don't like it - vote with your wallet

This, one million times

It's not as simple as that. I don't care throwing away that printer, but the environment and the slave workers care

It's not as simple as that. I don't care throwing away that printer, but the environment and the slave workers care

why did you bought it in the first place?

I didn't know about the restrictions. It was not labelled on the packaging

It's not as simple as that. I don't care throwing away that printer, but the environment and the slave workers care

WTH I just read???

No, this is he point when conversation is just stupid

Please, stop the offtopic

No, this is he point when conversation is just stupid

+inf

Thankfully lamps now have that labelling saying 'This bulb is not user-replaceable'

Now we need the same for printers etc