> Real ports. > Expandability > Upgradability > Trackpoint > Full Linux Support out of the box.

Beat that ^

> Real ports. > Expandability > Upgradability > Trackpoint > Full Linux Support out of the box.

Agreed!

Gonna do stuff, not gonna waste my time here, see you later guys

When you don't have arguments, better leave

;)

on the other hand I just use a cheap acer netbook because I'm not a stupid monk that is unable to increase the touchpad touch sensitivity. Yeah there's actually such a thing even on synaptic touchpads. Even though, I'd recommend going with the original, Elantech. 4 finger gestures like rotate, zoom, swipe between pages etc, filter areas, continue cursor movement on edges etc

it surely detects more than four fingers but that's what the official driver configures by default and you won't really use more than 4 fingers for gestures anyway

And most importantly, it detects if you put your hand onto it and disables itself, so that you don't hit the touchpad when typing

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Any telegram group for R programming language?

https://unitlinux.org/

https://github.com/yunit-io/yunit

https://github.com/yunit-io/yunit

Unity 8? Is this available on Fedora?

Unity 8? Is this available on Fedora?

Please, let it go...

Please, let it go...

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what's bad about unity?

what's bad about unity?

That clumsy dash with big icons as if it were a mobile phone.

Unity8 is truly buggy tbh

Chrome Screen flickers on Unity8

That clumsy dash with big icons as if it were a mobile phone.

whether one likes that or not is a personal opinion

Unity8 is truly buggy tbh

that's true, last time I tried it was unusable

I must confess I have never used Ubuntu, I used Unity on Fedora 17 and it was like "Meh"

I must confess I have never used Ubuntu, I used Unity on Fedora 17 and it was like "Meh"

Eh, close enough, it didn't get any feature/ UI changes since about then...

I used Unity (but the older one, built on Compiz) for a short time and it was nicely thought out and pretty good performance wise, was buttery smooth where gnome3 was sometimes lagging

Chrome Screen flickers on Unity8

It does too on Gnome - whenever i maximize it chromium doesnt get it and flickers the size difference like crazy and in screenshots it cuts out the maximized part. Its really annoying.

Sid: Does anyone use the corebird Twitter client on KDE???

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all

I am newbie here

Welcome @LonelyFaith

I love freedom I love gnu I love opensource community

hello

?hello

I love freedom I love gnu I love opensource community

Cool?

hi good morning

I love freedom I love gnu I love opensource community

good

Good evening everybody. :)

yeah!opensource is pretty cool

NodeMCU is awesome, doing a little presentation about it today :) ESPlorer is nice for first steps with it

well

I love freedom I love gnu I love opensource community

If you'd love freedom you wouldn't love open source

Open Source is basically an invitation for companies to create software that has an open core but it's main functions are completely proprietary, like Android and it's GApps suite. It doesn't define any moral guidelines, it's just there to create a benefit for companies, even to those that don't care about freedom at all. LG for example.

Open Source is basically an invitation for companies to create software that has an open core but it's main functions are completely proprietary, like Android and it's GApps suite. It doesn't define any moral guidelines, it's just there to create a benefit for companies, even to those that don't care about freedom at all. LG for example.

So what should we use? Closed source?

Libre Software

If you'd love freedom you wouldn't love open source

why?

Libre Software

how it is different?

Open Source is basically an invitation for companies to create software that has an open core but it's main functions are completely proprietary, like Android and it's GApps suite. It doesn't define any moral guidelines, it's just there to create a benefit for companies, even to those that don't care about freedom at all. LG for example.

Is LineageOS libre?

I don't use gapps.

how it is different?

libre means forever be a slave

how it is different?

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html

I don't really agree. IMHO having an open core is a step in a right direction

how it is different?

freedom means do what you want to do

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html

can you provide an answer which is not a 4 page essay? ? also I don't think open core is something bad

Open Source is just a method of software development. It doesn't actually define that this software has to be 'free' in the terms of freedom. The Android Project is 'Open Source' but you can't use it for any purpose, you have to get a certification to use the product anywhere, you can't really change it either, because it contains lots of proprietary parts that are important and deeply integrated into the core that will just stop working when changing anything. There's also no freedom of redistribution, because the Android system contains patented codecs and other stuff that prevent you from redistributing it if you don't buy a license

Also, freedom doesn't mean that there are no rules. Freedom has to be given, it's not there by default. A society without rules wouldn't have freedom, they would restrict each other because they don't have rules on how far exactly their freedom reaches.

imo open source means you can look inside

Closed source apps = proprietary software which control the users, track him etc. You could find examples with explanation in stallmn official site (google, adobe, intel, linked-in)

Closed source apps = proprietary software which control the users, track him etc. You could find examples with explanation in stallmn official site (google, adobe, intel, linked-in)

which CAN include parts that track user and stuff

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And most likely would be included in big projects.

And no, using a free software license is not bound to 'slavery' or copyleft. There are other compatible licenses that do not enforce copyleft.

Open Source is just a method of software development. It doesn't actually define that this software has to be 'free' in the terms of freedom. The Android Project is 'Open Source' but you can't use it for any purpose, you have to get a certification to use the product anywhere, you can't really change it either, because it contains lots of proprietary parts that are important and deeply integrated into the core that will just stop working when changing anything. There's also no freedom of redistribution, because the Android system contains patented codecs and other stuff that prevent you from redistributing it if you don't buy a license

source on the Android Certification part?

also Android is redistributed pretty widely, like in a OSes which are based on it, so I guess it's not forbidden

However, using a license alone, doesn't define moral guidelines. The GPLv3 can successfully prevent proprietary parts to be directly implemented into the code, but it cannot decide on whether or not you track your users. That's why you have declare something as a free software project so that your contributors understand the moral guidelines attached to it.

which CAN include parts that track user and stuff

Stallman.com look in what's bad about ... Most of well-known companies do that

source on the Android Certification part?

https://www.android.com/gms/partners/ Basically what this means, without the cert they can't grant you access to the Play Store and it's not Android anymore and basically useless. The cert requires the inclusion of Play Store, Books, Movies, Maps, YouTube, Google Chrome etc. Devices without the cert can't access the store even if the user decides to install it afterwards

Without GMS most apps don't even start

there are alternative stores

https://www.android.com/gms/partners/ Basically what this means, without the cert they can't grant you access to the Play Store and it's not Android anymore and basically useless. The cert requires the inclusion of Play Store, Books, Movies, Maps, YouTube, Google Chrome etc. Devices without the cert can't access the store even if the user decides to install it afterwards

So without certification you won't get access to the play store and other proprietary stuff, without which Android works perfectly fine.

Stallman.com look in what's bad about ... Most of well-known companies do that

Most is not all.

Also, there are many individuals here doing closed source projects, do they 100% track you?

So without certification you won't get access to the play store and other proprietary stuff, without which Android works perfectly fine.

No, we're talking about Android. You can't use that name if you're not certified

You can use AOSP but that only fixes one issue

You can use AOSP but that only fixes one issue

What about LineageOS though?

No, we're talking about Android. You can't use that name if you're not certified

so what? you can't use RHEL trademark freely either in a dependent distributions

Lineage is a fork of AOSP and definitely more free than Android

Lineage is a fork of AOSP and definitely more free than Android

Fork of CyanogenMod you mean.

A fork of a fork

Maybe CM is a fork of AOSP though.

Or was.

I also don't get what's wrong with open core. For example GitLab provides Community Edition, which is awesome, and EE, which is closed source and paid, and I don't see anything wrong with that

of course I would prefer EE to be open source, but when presented with having an excellent product like that or not at all, I prefer open core

If you want to use the AOSP product in any meaningful way, you're bound to these restrictions set by Android, because that's the actual product. This is immoral and only a thing happening with 'Open Source'

If you want to use the AOSP product in any meaningful way, you're bound to these restrictions set by Android, because that's the actual product. This is immoral and only a thing happening with 'Open Source'

only if you want to get on the Android's marketing bandwagon. If you want to use its code, you're free to do so

Yeah, partially. It includes proprietary code and patented codecs which you aren't free to redistribute

so at the end you'd have to make a fork first and take the kernel apart

Yeah, partially. It includes proprietary code and patented codecs which you aren't free to redistribute

What proprietary code can be found in AOSP's git repo?

and patented codecs is not a problem in the EU.

It actually is a problem in the EU. Huawei is unable to rollout some android updates to europe because the codecs need licenses. The Chinese market always gets it the fastest because those patents are invalid there. Anyway, is there some way of browsing the git repo on a phone? I'm currently not at home

There are git clients for Android, both GUI and CLI.

I use CLI git utility.