I've had contact with a developer that is working on the EMUI interface. He told me, huawei couldn't roll out the updates to EU for Huawei Mate 7 because of the codecs that need appropriate licenses. Back in the days this included the MP3 codec, DTS, stuff like AAC, MP4 etc. MP3 is libre now, the patent has run out.

don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're not right, I would only like to know the details so I would be able to change my mind ?

It took them some months to release Android 6 to the EU market but it's rolled out by now

I've had contact with a developer that is working on the EMUI interface. He told me, huawei couldn't roll out the updates to EU for Huawei Mate 7 because of the codecs that need appropriate licenses. Back in the days this included the MP3 codec, DTS, stuff like AAC, MP4 etc. MP3 is libre now, the patent has run out.

https://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2016/e/ar52.html is pretty clearly written, maybe they used some non-free codecs or what, but software patents are not a thing in the EU

Yeah but that's not how it works. They don't patent software, they patent an algorithm

In this case the MP3 compression algorithm

Yeah but that's not how it works. They don't patent software, they patent an algorithm

This is simply not true, and MP3 codecs were always freely accesible in the EU.

So glad that I can care a little less living in Siberia. :)

On the other hand, that is only one of few positives from living here.

This is simply not true, and MP3 codecs were always freely accesible in the EU.

Sisvel holds the patent of MP3 in europe and any devices that are labelled as MP3 or have MP3 capabilites are getting confiscated on the EU border if there's no valid license. Even big players like samsung have to pay to them. https://www.design-reuse.com/news/14997/sisvel-sandisk-additional-legal-troubles-sandisk-mp3-players.html

MP3 is a public domain thing now anyway.

Yeah, MP4 apparently too, soon.

Sisvel holds the patent of MP3 in europe and any devices that are labelled as MP3 or have MP3 capabilites are getting confiscated on the EU border if there's no valid license. Even big players like samsung have to pay to them. https://www.design-reuse.com/news/14997/sisvel-sandisk-additional-legal-troubles-sandisk-mp3-players.html

okay, I didn't know that. Will look at it later, thanks ?

but it looks it was a "suspicion". anyway, I think this is something a lawyer would have to decide, not me ?

so I have to agree that it is a muddy ground in the EU

It gets a bit complicated working out the exact details of how this is how it is, Sisvel isn't really a company by itself, it is owned by some other company. The fact is, yes, you can patent an algorithm and the implementation of such is not allowed because of the patent. Similar to how you're not allowed to write an RAR compression utility unless you blindcode a different algorithm

Uncompression of RAR is free tho

I suspect sisvel may be a patent troll and this would be invalidated in court, but it's cheaper to pay up

Sisvel is a troll and they're making big money with this, they even hold Wifi patents

After all, this kind of witchery shouldn't be dragged into the FLOSS community, which is why we should distance ourselves from implementing such things. Fedora distances itself by not providing patented codecs that are held by patent trolls. Important to know, is, that not all patents restrict use. The Linux kernel and it's algorithms is actually patented too, by the Linux Foundation and companies like RedHat so that noone else can patent it. They have that somewhere in their manifesto that these patents stay free for use always

Sid: Does anyone use the corebird Twitter client on KDE???

Oh, I didn't know this exists. Is it in repositories? Or is it a plasmoid?

Corebird is GTK AFAIK

http://corebird.baedert.org/

Yep

But he said KDE....

What a wonderful morning!

If you'd love freedom you wouldn't love open source

This is so illogical and misleading.

This is so illogical and misleading.

He's one of those that make a huge deal of "open source" and "free software"

Muh freedumz

Open Source is basically an invitation for companies to create software that has an open core but it's main functions are completely proprietary, like Android and it's GApps suite. It doesn't define any moral guidelines, it's just there to create a benefit for companies, even to those that don't care about freedom at all. LG for example.

You're talking about mobile stuff. Mobile platforms =! Computers

He's one of those that make a huge deal of "open source" and "free software"

Meh. Same dog with different collar.

Also lol "Android"

What is propietary of AOSP exactly?

(Nothing)

freedom means do what you want to do

Exactly!

Some people have a hard time telling what AOSP is and what AOSP isn't. I'll give you a clue: Most phones aren't AOSP but AOSP + GApps. Of course GApps are proprietary.

what is aosp?

Android Open Source Project?

Android Open Source Project

Bingo!

oh

Basically what pure Android is.

Google Apps not included.

Some people have a hard time telling what AOSP is and what AOSP isn't. I'll give you a clue: Most phones aren't AOSP but AOSP + GApps. Of course GApps are proprietary.

AOSP contains proprietary parts too

Codecs, Blobs etc

ho no

Meh.

Hi

Codecs, Blobs etc

Hello! MP3 codecs are free now and soon will be MP4. Their patents expired

By the way, very important

I heard that microsoft get paid for every sold android

Patented != Non-free

Yeah, that won't change AAC etc

I heard that microsoft get paid for every sold android

Sure, Apple gets paid too

Because of patents.

Yeah, that won't change AAC etc

AAC is 100% fully free libre open source freedums

Patented, sure.

I heard that microsoft get paid for every sold android

what?

Patented != Non-free

As I already said, the license alone doesn't make it free software

As I already said, the license alone doesn't make it free software

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I heard that microsoft get paid for every sold android

Both Apple & Microsoft because of patents. That was the reason for Google buying Motorola and Microsoft buying Nokia.

whatever dude

Damn microsoft and apple jewing on android project

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The GPL can be used as an open source license too

OFC

If your project follows the ideals of free software is a different kind of measurement

If your project follows the ideals of free software is a different kind of measurement

Yeah

Lol

So free you boycott proprietary software

Doesn't seem very free to me :^)

Then you don't understand freedom

Oh my.

?

Freedom doesn't mean that everyone can do what he wants. This way you do not have freedom, you have anomy.

As programmer you have only two options: closed source or open source. Either you make your code available or not. GPL, Creative Commons, etc.... are licenses. They are matter of philosophers and lawyers rather than programmers and users.

Freedom doesn't mean that everyone can do what he wants. This way you do not have freedom, you have anomy.

Exactly. My freedom ends where someone else's freedom starts.

Yeah

Exactly. My freedom ends where someone else's freedom starts.

I agree with this.

90% of the time, open source software is free software anyway, considered that some decide this based on the license, but even decided based on the morals most open source software is libre.

The issue starts to arise, if third-party libraries get linked as a compile dependency or as part of the code / api whatever. Then you have to understand how free software licenses work and that the released product that contains those proprietary parts is no longer free software, even if parts of the code are.

so what's the most libre license out there?

bsd?

GPLv3 :P

I would say the most libre would be no license, get that and do whatever you like

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so what's the most libre license out there?

If "Libre" means, 'must remain libre' - gplv3 If "Libre" means, 'tested in court and open for me but anyone can use it however they want and not give anything back' - bsd If "Libre" means 'i dont give a fuck' - WTFPL

I like the WTFPL @Wolfshappen

I like the WTFPL @Wolfshappen

Hasn't been tested in Court tough. And i only do gplv3 because fuck not contributing back code but using base ideas.

I have nothing to lose so they can sue me if they please.

Anyway, I use WTFPL on my designs rather my code.