@Meruso I understand this is an important topic, but it's going for a second day now and it is not directly related to Fedora... ? let's end this discussion here

ok

Now we need the same for printers etc

So glad that I can find a new cartrige for my laser printer for just $10.

Laser printers are great, but they need good ventilation and probably not worth it for home use unless you print many things. Many printers in this range also have proper drivers, which is nice. Brother's linux drivers are OK, they work great. HP is even better considered that all of their drivers are actually libre. Does anyone have experience with samsung printers? I'll actually give it a try and refill the ink of my HP ink printer because it has a hidden key combination that can reset the chip. Haven't used that printer for months...

Please stop

Again

Mmm the group can't run without some off-topics

Even the last flamewar about php was offtopic

Even the last flamewar about php was offtopic

Yes, but no with 2 days in the same off topic

https://fedoramagazine.org/easytag-organize-your-music-on-fedora/

OK, final rest before Linux Contest trip. :D

OK, final rest before Linux Contest trip. :D

have a good trip :)

Thanks. :)

I'll send pics from places.

Gonna make a log anyway.

??

No, this is he point when conversation is just stupid

Actually is not stupid at all. The amount of trash generated by aggressive programmed obsolescence is huge.

Topic ended

@Meruso I understand this is an important topic, but it's going for a second day now and it is not directly related to Fedora... ? let's end this discussion here

I see this from the point of view of Libre and Open Standards, it is not the first time we discuss off-topic so don't trigger yourself for that... also remember you guys also cooperate to this by replying others thoughts.

Topic ended

So?

Linux has low enough market share that virus writers usually don't target Linux beside some occasional proof-of-concepts, which are harmless

Exactly

Exactly

On desktops, that's partially true

But that's not the only reason

+ there are certain safeguards, like SELinux, which may provide some degree of protection against some viruses

This more than the other.

I always recommend this lecture: https://www.linux.com/learn/myth-busting-linux-immune-viruses

Linux marketshare is infinitely bigger than Microsoft's

Count all the servers, count all the Android phones, count all the TV infotainment systems, count embedded controllers, smart TVs, routers...

Linux is DEFINITELY more widespread than Windows.

Linux is DEFINITELY more widespread than Windows.

Absolutely, but virus doesn't target those.

Normal targets are desktops

but server administrators are not naive users

You wouldn't want to break into a multi-billion dollar enterprise Linux server? Really?

You prefer to break into a porn-infested 15 YO "gaming rig"?

hmm...

and embebbed and other devices usely are more closed without many interaction options

You wouldn't want to break into a multi-billion dollar enterprise Linux server? Really?

No, it will have a lot of security

Is there any linux wannacrypt victim yet?

Is there any linux wannacrypt victim yet?

In labs, a lot

No, it will have a lot of security

Lol, you wish...

No, it will have a lot of security

Because it is so by default, on desktops aswell

Lol, you wish...

I have it in my servers

most of the viruses are executed by naive users, in servers they will never be executed, being Windows or Linux

Is there any linux wannacrypt victim yet?

Sambacry - on Linux a different vulnerability in samba was found.

Then marketshare is irrelevant, hm???

Because otherwise Linux would be targeted more than Windows. It isn't. Why is so?

most of the viruses are executed by naive users, in servers they will never be executed, being Windows or Linux

Naive Users dont populate Linux as much - and are tired of entering passwords so they will more often click "no"

BTW. Virus != Malware

Then marketshare is irrelevant, hm???

No, but it needs to be break it down, not only "Linux Marketshare": Linux Desktop Marketshare, Embedded Linux Marketshare, Server Marketshare

Linux is better than Windows against viruses, repostories for instance are more secure than downlaod program in random webs

There are next to no viruses lately. They're all trojans and worms.

No, but it needs to be break it down, not only "Linux Marketshare": Linux Desktop Marketshare, Embedded Linux Marketshare, Server Marketshare

But Linux is Linux .... ... ...

Linux is better than Windows against viruses, repostories for instance are more secure than downlaod program in random webs

How about Windows Store :P

Not that there's much stuff over there... Heh. Poor Microsoft.

Windows Store is slightly new, and I think that the most of users remain using the 'old way'

I don't know, IMHPOV Linux is hard to infect, even for non-technical users

Not because of the marketshare, but for security measures

Yes.

Linux is inherently much more secure than Windows.

Marketshare does not contribute toward's Linux apparent immunity.

yes, but not immune

Nothing is immune except when unplugged.

yes, but not immune

Inmune is a powered off PC

And even nowadays, you have batteries soldered in so...

Inmune is a powered off PC

right ?

I think that if Linux were more popular in desktops the amout of attacks would be increased, but it would be lower than in Windows

I think that if Linux were more popular in desktops the amout of attacks would be increased, but it would be lower than in Windows

Well, according to unix philosophy - higher.

ERROR: S client not available

A lot of stupid users would be happy to run Perl scripts is terminal XD

I think that if Linux were more popular in desktops the amout of attacks would be increased, but it would be lower than in Windows

Ugh...

I think that if Linux were more popular in desktops the amout of attacks would be increased, but it would be lower than in Windows

Attacks maybe, but attacks doesn't mean infection

A lot of stupid users would be happy to run Perl scripts is terminal XD

if users would run randomly sudo ./virus_script.sh or sudo perl virus_script.pl...

against it a bit of things could be done ?

a virus could be so stupid as a web where the instructions were: 'In order to do your OS much better run sudo rm -rf /'

if users would run randomly sudo ./virus_script.sh or sudo perl virus_script.pl...

Why sudo when root is the only user? :P

...

SELinux doesn't care how much root you are...

Quick question: Will you pay for an updated, good linux book?

many users won't

Quick question: Will you pay for an updated, good linux book?

ughh.. probably no.

ughh.. probably no.

Why?

I can google almost everything I need.

I can google almost everything I need.

This

Information avaliability, ok

I can google almost everything I need.

but it would be nicer to have everything organized in a book.

overall, on an eBook

but it would be nicer to have everything organized in a book.

That would be too fat book :P

That would be too fat book :P

eBook ^^

overall, on an eBook

Yes, but the issue is the payment

Let's be honest, I'd google instead. because.. a habbit.

A DRM-free ePub... That could be interesting.

I mean, people use to think that because is linux related, books should be free (like free in a free beer)

But it would have to be a REALLY good book, not with basic beginner shit.

I mean, people use to think that because is linux related, books should be free (like free in a free beer)

probably, but it has no sense ?

although a good open source book written by experienced system administrators and Linux developers would be really nice

many users also think that download pirated software, movies and books is not stealing

there's this book that I still refer to, but it's old

it's free at least

but yeah people would pay for good stuff

I paid $30 USD for my hard-cover 5th edition of UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook (5th Edition) by Evi Nemeth