This is very dangerous for universities...

Teaching critical thinking is an art and it's one of the most important things any school system can teach (in my opinion).

Universities should be teaching creators, not technicians.

The problem is that many fail to do that (not even just universities, even primary / high schools).

Universities should be teaching creators, not technicians.

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Fedora (Facebook) On behalf of the Fedora desktop teams, we're looking forward to #upstream collaboration with the Ubuntu community on building better software together. http://news.softpedia.com/news/red-hat-and-fedora-teams-welcome-ubuntu-to-gnome-and-wayland-with-open-arms-514661.shtml link

When seeking this news, I still speechless with dizzy mood. ?

When seeking this news, I still speechless with dizzy mood. ?

In a good way or bad way?

If only pirating software were punished with inprisionation.

In theory, in Uruguay you can get a huge debt or prison, but nobody cares and I for myself never seen a legal copy of Microsoft products.

The first legal paid copies of software I ever seen in my life (that isn't short at all) was here in Germany, one month ago. I was so astonished that I had to ask twice to be sure it wasn't a mistake.

The first legal paid copies of software I ever seen in my life (that isn't short at all) was here in Germany, one month ago. I was so astonished that I had to ask twice to be sure it wasn't a mistake.

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In a good way or bad way?

Can't decide, although I hate Canoncial so much, but still shocked.

Can't decide, although I hate Canoncial so much, but still shocked.

Aww, don't hate

Aww, don't hate

Ahh ? truly remember of my first Linux Distribution experience. Very new thing to explore with their Unity.

I don't like Unity myself honestly

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But hating software... Nah... Better spend your time loving Fedora

But hating software... Nah... Better spend your time loving Fedora

True, it is not justified to bury hatred. Anyway, I've a outdated CentOS VM in my machine. Thanks for wrap up.

Plus, in the world we live in, we need more companies dedicated to open source software

Not in my country. On my college every single Desktop in the CAD lab has Windows, Office, AutoDesk CAD software and the Civil Engineering Department pay USD0.00 for it.

The problem here is that there's still software that is for Windows or OSX only. They have no match in Linux. And is highly technical.

I might not agree with every decision Canonical makes, but dammit, we need them as much as we need companies like Red Hat too

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And universities using and teaching Linux.

The problem here is that there's still software that is for Windows or OSX only. They have no match in Linux. And is highly technical.

But... still piracy. They are not paying for it.

Yeah.

They use Windows 10 on my school.

But... still piracy. They are not paying for it.

Some do, some don't.

It's all pirated.

I might not agree with every decision Canonical makes, but dammit, we need them as much as we need companies like Red Hat too

I love Red Hat

They are commited to GNOME

Some do, some don't.

It is all pirated.

Also seem to care more about the community than Canonical...

When seeking this news, I still speechless with dizzy mood. ?

If only they did it up from the start

And universities using and teaching Linux.

A thing that will be never started in my country. ?

Some do, some don't.

And happen to IT and CS departments.

A thing that will be never started in my country. ?

In Goether University (Frankfurt) all computers are using Fedora and servers use CentOS

If only they did it up from the start

Wayland --> Mir --> Wayland (back). I'm so dizzy.

Students lurking in the internet for installers and activator for MS Office, W10 or any other closed source software because that is what you must use, because that is what the teacher know how to use.

Wayland --> Mir --> Wayland (back). I'm so dizzy.

Up from the start...

In Goether University (Frankfurt) all computers are using Fedora and servers use CentOS

What a beautiful. ?

They are commited to GNOME

Well, the fact that Canonical realized that their strategy to fragment with Unity, Mir, and other things wasn't working says a lot for me. Canonical has yet to prove themselves, but if they follow the "open source way" and contribute to the growth of GNOME, then I'm more than willing to accept them happily into the community. What would be more disappointing is if they just use a vanilla GNOME implementation but don't contribute back to upstream. I really do think it's impressive that Canonical has made the bold decision to give up Unity and Mir to work with the upstream projects. They might not have proven themselves yet, but I'm very willing to give them a shot to do that.

Students lurking in the internet for installers and activator for MS Office, W10 or any other closed source software because that is what you must use, because that is what the teacher know how to use.

And you ask for: "Hey teacher, given I cannot use the Free Libre OpenSource software, are you going to provide the licenses and the software itself for this homework?" They reply: "It is part of the homework learning how to get the tools" <- BULLSHIT.

Students lurking in the internet for installers and activator for MS Office, W10 or any other closed source software because that is what you must use, because that is what the teacher know how to use.

I always asked for a license key from teacher. Sometimes they had an educational license for the whole University. In other case, I would say sorry.

I want to see the betterment and growth of open source software for as many users as possible, so if Canonical gets that and is committed to that mission, then I'm ready for Canonical to join us in advancing the goals of the free and open source software movement, together.

Well, the fact that Canonical realized that their strategy to fragment with Unity, Mir, and other things wasn't working says a lot for me. Canonical has yet to prove themselves, but if they follow the "open source way" and contribute to the growth of GNOME, then I'm more than willing to accept them happily into the community. What would be more disappointing is if they just use a vanilla GNOME implementation but don't contribute back to upstream. I really do think it's impressive that Canonical has made the bold decision to give up Unity and Mir to work with the upstream projects. They might not have proven themselves yet, but I'm very willing to give them a shot to do that.

Oh, they could support their own fork. Wanna bet?

Students lurking in the internet for installers and activator for MS Office, W10 or any other closed source software because that is what you must use, because that is what the teacher know how to use.

Well.... while in Uruguay professors used mostly Windows, but students were free to use anything as long as they did their tasks.

Well, the fact that Canonical realized that their strategy to fragment with Unity, Mir, and other things wasn't working says a lot for me. Canonical has yet to prove themselves, but if they follow the "open source way" and contribute to the growth of GNOME, then I'm more than willing to accept them happily into the community. What would be more disappointing is if they just use a vanilla GNOME implementation but don't contribute back to upstream. I really do think it's impressive that Canonical has made the bold decision to give up Unity and Mir to work with the upstream projects. They might not have proven themselves yet, but I'm very willing to give them a shot to do that.

They certainly did like to patch GNOME 2 heavily right before Unity, so... Time will tell.

I want to see the betterment and growth of open source software for as many users as possible, so if Canonical gets that and is committed to that mission, then I'm ready for Canonical to join us in advancing the goals of the free and open source software movement, together.

I still cannot excuse Mark for what he did to Ubuntu Community Council and Ubuntu LoCos.

Oh, they could support their own fork. Wanna bet?

Hmm, I'm hesitant. I'm not willing to assume the worst. Sure, they could maintain their own fork but if they really are trying to make improvements and participate with the community, they should know that it would be very ineffective for them to do that. And abandoning Unity would have been pointless because they'd be forking an existing code base just to maintain it privately among themselves, which is what they were doing (more or less) with Unity. From a business strategy point of view, it doesn't make sense.

They certainly did like to patch GNOME 2 heavily right before Unity, so... Time will tell.

Indeed. Let's hope they've learned the lesson.

I always asked for a license key from teacher. Sometimes they had an educational license for the whole University. In other case, I would say sorry.

In our case, we have no excuses, as the University provides us with licenses most of the time, and if not, we have a remote desktop connection to a server farm, with all our tools installed and prelicensed, anywhere, anytime, as long as we have an Internet connection.

I still cannot excuse Mark for what he did to Ubuntu Community Council and Ubuntu LoCos.

I guess I can't speak to this because I'm missing that context.

I still cannot excuse Mark for what he did to Ubuntu Community Council and Ubuntu LoCos.

I stopped using Ubuntu exactly because of that. And now I'm in a friendly family and I'm really happy with that.

And if we don't have a connection, we can go to the library and ask for a computer :/

So we can't say "sorry, I have no license for this software"

With the large user base we have on Ubuntu systems, I am really happy that Canonical ditched they one way road in favour of Gnome. If that works out well, it will make our lives as software developers/publishers a bit easier...

With the large user base we have on Ubuntu systems, I am really happy that Canonical ditched they one way road in favour of Gnome. If that works out well, it will make our lives as software developers/publishers a bit easier...

? This, and we'll hopefully have more talented people working on making a common Linux desktop environment better for the most people as possible.

These days we have fantastic technologies, no need for companies to invent their own infrastructure systems. Canonical has always overestimated its own ideas: upstart, mir, unity, snappy.... Can't make technology by decisions these days, the "market" decides what is good...

Upstart was good IMHO

before systemd, init systems really sucked

and they adopted systemd quickly so...

ERROR: S client not available

You'll get the same Gif as yesterday :P

upstart worked well enough. we fully adopted it. systemd, otoh, is an operating system to boot an operating system....

My previous company had to pay TWICE a few licenses because Microsoft were threatening with their lawyers, even though we were fully legal, they refused to acknowledge us

Trust me, they do this in Europe because they know they can get the money. It's not the same in other places like South America.

Trust me, they do this in Europe because they know they can get the money. It's not the same in other places like South America.

Yeah I'm sure that's the case

They bully small companies with no lawyers who just give into their threats because they don't want problems

Even for opening and reading pdfs...

Trust me, they do this in Europe because they know they can get the money. It's not the same in other places like South America.

Or Central América.

Or Central América.

Exactly.

/names@TeledoraBot

The top bar is still large

you can edit top bar with make change on gtk.css file

but the board chain for openSUSE wants it to be I think.

SUSE have GNOME by default. But they like to say that openSUSE don't have default

Morning, good people.

SUSE have GNOME by default. But they like to say that openSUSE don't have default

OpenSuse i think is most KDE than Gnome ?

KDE is their is 'main' DE. Although GNOME is a choice on the install.

create a .sh file with this #!/bin/bash shutdown -P +6

uhh thanks , i still have doubts

chmod +x file.sh

add that in same .sh file

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[agusyc@laptop ~]$ shutdown --help shutdown [OPTIONS...] [TIME] [WALL...] Shut down the system. --help Show this help -H --halt Halt the machine -P --poweroff Power-off the machine -r --reboot Reboot the machine -h Equivalent to --poweroff, overridden by --halt -k Don't halt/power-off/reboot, just send warnings --no-wall Don't send wall message before halt/power-off/reboot -c Cancel a pending shutdown

thanks man

i don't think mir/unity were bad. i think linux lost a bit of diversity there. forks are a part of the deal. i do hope canonical contributes to gnome. i hope gnome becomes the public face of linux. it's a gap that needs filled with oems like dell that ship linux de

Hey

I just installed fedora for my younger sister because she needs a user friendly distro. Is it normal for dnf upgrade to have an ETA around 30-40 minutes, or is something wrong here?

It seems pretty excessive to me for a repo update

Sorry dnf update, not upgrade

about to do an install. will see how it goes

[Ask] Hello, what command to install missing dependencies via terminal ? I'm using alien to convert .Deb file.... And got the error...

believe there is a status page on mirror list

[Ask] Hello, what command to install missing dependencies via terminal ? I'm using alien to convert .Deb file.... And got the error...

Find RPM package or build from source instead

Find RPM package or build from source instead

??. You again.. ??

[Ask] Hello, what command to install missing dependencies via terminal ? I'm using alien to convert .Deb file.... And got the error...

Either install it properly, or manually solve the dependencies