To not duplicate stuff, the point is that you should be able to remove stuff you need anymore without braking the whole system, without having to reinstall.

I think that theoretically you're right. In the real world that's more work that is worth. It is like buiding a house and then decide to change the fundations keeping the house on. You can do it, but it is likely that making the whole house againg will be cheaper, faster and more safe... And at that moment you can even decide to put a basement room.

I think that theoretically you're right. In the real world that's more work that is worth. It is like buiding a house and then decide to change the fundations keeping the house on. You can do it, but it is likely that making the whole house againg will be cheaper, faster and more safe... And at that moment you can even decide to put a basement room.

Once you told: There are people who require to upgrade instead of making fresh install every 6 month, because of the configs or the projects they hava their computers, so making fresh install is time demanding than upgrading.

Once you told: There are people who require to upgrade instead of making fresh install every 6 month, because of the configs or the projects they hava their computers, so making fresh install is time demanding than upgrading.

Yes. Upgrading is one thing. Changing the infraestructure is not an upgrade.

One thing doesn't compare to the other, building are build to remain in the same place, system are abstract, they should be modular, flexibles and scalables, not rigid. 

Try better with another useful analogy, this one is cheap.

If you start with gnome you will have gdm. Then you want to take gdm from the system to install another DE... Theoretically should apply to modularity as you said. But the number of people in that scenario most likely are into some deeper changes. So maybe will result better start over.

Yes. Upgrading is one thing. Changing the infraestructure is not an upgrade.

I recall we were talking with Wilfredo about why he prefered to upgrade instead of fresh install, so that wasn't an «changin infrastructure» topic.

Changing DE is not an upgrade

You are the one who mention upgrade. I have been talking of getting rid off something to put anything else on it's place.

Changing the foundations of a building is a change or an upgrade?

Forget about upgrade.

I have only make one upgrade in my whole fedora live, upgrades are not for me, I prefer fresh installs, netinstall specifically.

Your point is a very sound theoreticall view. But in reality you are building a house and then taking out the columns

No every body desing things thinking that someone want to replace the core.

Ok, let's play with this cheap analogy. Gnome, takes the columns, foundations everything.

Is Gnome who brake the core.

Break

?

sorry.

I don't know. Do they make it to fall apart when you do that? Or they never think about someone removing everything?

Do they look at the idea and said there is 1% that may want to do that ... It is not worth the trouble to make it that modular ?

There are not bad ideas. The problem comes that the world is a rough place to theories.

Gnome Devs are most amazing wonder on the floss world, but the complex enigma too. 

And I want to be a gnome dev.

Then you will face questions like that.... It is worth the trouble to make fine modular stuff for only one person that request that?

For me, yes.

Do you know that linux still supporting a specific driver just for one person. Been able to remove stuff from the system without breaking everything is useful for everybody.

Same as having diversity program to promote inclusion.

Do you know that linux still supporting a specific driver just for one person. Been able to remove stuff from the system without breaking everything is useful for everybody.

Sorry pal, I am a cold blood business manager who think in Return Over Investment and critical mass for implementing things.

If I had to run a software company I would fire a programmer who waste work time in user cases that lack critical mass

Pheww, this the wonderful thing of contribute to free software, you can volunteer. It is not all about money.

Pheww, this the wonderful thing of contribute to free software, you can volunteer. It is not all about money.

thinking if critical mass is not really bout money ?? Is it ? It is about the masses . .

Anyone have any idea what this is?

intel_soc_dts_thermal

btw, there is a Comfortaa font theme for CyanogenMod

I lost 50 GB :( I have already installed fedora on a partition 50 Gb after I delete my Hard disk the problem fedora partition is not deleted how I can just recover the volume

I lost 50 GB :( I have already installed fedora on a partition 50 Gb after I delete my Hard disk the problem fedora partition is not deleted how I can just recover the volume

fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x00000000

I did to test, maybe will be better to download a new ISO.

Yes. That's the best option. Backup your personal files install from scratch.

fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 465.8 GiB, 500107862016 bytes, 976773168 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Disk /dev/sda - 500 GB / 465 GiB - TOSHIBA MQ01ABF050

Yes. That's the best option. Backup your personal files install from scratch.

It's true.

If you start with gnome you will have gdm. Then you want to take gdm from the system to install another DE... Theoretically should apply to modularity as you said. But the number of people in that scenario most likely are into some deeper changes. So maybe will result better start over.

You can have some DM, and configure the system to use in particular. It works. With Cinnamon at least.

For me, yes.

Wait until you have to actually develop. I don't think you understand the enormous amount of time and effort you put into it.

Pheww, this the wonderful thing of contribute to free software, you can volunteer. It is not all about money.

You understand he's being sarcastic, right?

Disk /dev/sda - 500 GB / 465 GiB - TOSHIBA MQ01ABF050

Run a Fedora live and see what shows you as hard disk and partitions, if any, and tell us.

You understand he's being sarcastic, right?

Yep I do . .

Run a Fedora live and see what shows you as hard disk and partitions, if any, and tell us.

My disk is removed i am live on fedora and i installed testdisk

For example, for US$70 you get an asymmetrical 10mbps residential internet connection.

We here at Moscow suburbs have 40-50 Mbit/s for ~$6

thinking if critical mass is not really bout money ?? Is it ? It is about the masses . .

@pionen user cases... You may solve problems for the majority first and then work in special user cases

Let's say you type a sudo command, and you leave the table without closing screen sesion, since sudo have a 5 minutes no-password request anybody can type whatever they want on the computer.

And here is the session locker somes in. It also has the text-only versions.

But if you use su -c, only the command passed thru su -c is the one with root privileges.

But then you will need to type every time this long su -c and single quotes, and type root password. And your root password is about 20 characters long. Is this worth it?

You understand he's being sarcastic, right?

I didn't read sarcasm between lines. I got the feeling that he has no clue about prioritizing time toward results. Things you got with experience.

No more sudo or su - c again

This is a lie

plan

>EDIT

I have done this in the past, but doesn't help when you just want to uninstall something (gnome) to try something else (KDE), this is topic came up after following the news from @GNUDebian upgranding process.

In the past, I successfully did installed KDE and removed GNOME, and vice versa. But this requires a bunch of hours, to clean the other DE out of system using your bare hands and dnf...

soon linux may need replacing by systemd and the pkan will be revealed: Lennux - the new dominant *nix-like OS

‼WARNING: JOKES!! systemd-kerneld systemd-coreutilsd

‼WARNING: JOKES!! systemd-kerneld systemd-coreutilsd

Coreutils is utils, and they can not be daemon. Kernel too.

Coreutils is utils, and they can not be daemon. Kernel too.

That's a joke T.T

Yep, I found it

In the past, I successfully did installed KDE and removed GNOME, and vice versa. But this requires a bunch of hours, to clean the other DE out of system using your bare hands and dnf...

I already found out how to get rid off gnome. But as I said before, my complaints are about: Gnome is overly attached to the whole system. Removing it might break the system. dnf doesn't handles dependencies in a smart way, not enough to not breaking the system when removing huge groups packages collection. This situations means the system is not modular. Removing packages not related with the core breaks the core system. Facts: I do prefer to make fresh install. This is the easiest way to solve the problem when something breaks the system in a unexpected way. I don't upgrade from release to release. Only fresh install. But been able to remove something without breaking 2 or 3 upgrades processes, that would be awesome.

We here at Moscow suburbs have 40-50 Mbit/s for ~$6

Do you mind if I move on to one of your suburbs? That Internet connection price sounds good even to me...

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hi my friends I have many problems with fedora on my laptop Pc 1) I lost 50 GB because of Fedora defaults lvm 2) Until I can install the Nvidia driver on my mobile PC that uses Nvidia (Optimus) I tried to install the official just to try but do not start I decided in a moment of remove my hard drive to 0 it takes a long time to succeed but the surprise. I lost my partition fedora. I do not like Ubuntu but I tried elementary and I installed Nvidia does it work it starts without problem despite my card and Optimus I know that Ubuntu uses very old kernels now I use only Intel I installed the bumblebee open source is installed I use it with optirun working properly I was happy but the fedora partition permanently lost

What about Fedora again?

I can not recover the original volume of my hard drive

@Med_CHABIH the proprietary video drivers are always a problem, Fedora will not make it easy for you to manage them, especially with the frequent kernel and xorg upgrades

I can do some gaming with just the open source drivers, but granted it's not my focus nor something to discourage me if it didn't work

I can not recover the original volume of my hard drive

But if you run a live, what shows you as hard disk?

@Med_CHABIH the proprietary video drivers are always a problem, Fedora will not make it easy for you to manage them, especially with the frequent kernel and xorg upgrades

This is why I use Intel only.

But if you run a live, what shows you as hard disk?

I tried booting live but no partition is displayed

testdisk and fdisk

Uh...

So if you try to install it shows like there's no disc? Is it that,?

So if you try to install it shows like there's no disc? Is it that,?

as you see the disk 500GB but it remains 460 the lost partition is the fedora partition

Can't you format the disc and install Fedora in a fresh partition?

yes I format it completely and now I installed fedora 23 cinnamon but still lost 50 gb

That's weird...

Maybe that part got damaged? I don't know, it never happened to me. Not that bad.

Maybe that part got damaged? I don't know, it never happened to me. Not that bad.

yes can be damaged: '(

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@Med_CHABIH the proprietary video drivers are always a problem, Fedora will not make it easy for you to manage them, especially with the frequent kernel and xorg upgrades

Yes thank you very much I used to just NVIDIA with blender My Work is just programing the driver nvidia no problem with me I know it's not easy to use nvidia fedora that's no problem for me the problem I formatted the drive but the partiton fedora disappeared

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as you see the disk 500GB but it remains 460 the lost partition is the fedora partition

Are you sure before installing fedora, fdisk and testdisk displayed 500GB?

There is a huge different between measuring data store units like GB and GiB

So 500GB are less than 500 when it's measured in GiB.

As you can see:

/dev/sda - 500 GB / 465 GiB - TOSHIBA...