Isn't it better for many users?

Isn't it better for many users?

On the same pc

Isn't it better for many users?

That's my point, I don't want others having sudo/su privileges on my computer.

So, only me can do root related task on it.

I read something about this on the official NSA best practices on securing Red Hats servers.

Let's say you type a sudo command, and you leave the table without closing screen sesion, since sudo have a 5 minutes no-password request anybody can type whatever they want on the computer.

But if you use su -c, only the command passed thru su -c is the one with root privileges.

su -c 'dnf group remove gnome'

machinectl Shell?

The systemd way?

machinectl Shell?

This is new for me

Make sence if you are using Fedora systemd/linux ?

This is new for me

Must wait to Fedora 24 not yeat in f23

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-own-su-command

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-own-su-command

This is a yay or not yay?

This is phoronix crap

But than there is a new way to scale privileges, it is true

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-own-su-command

I've heard that Lennard was going to that ages ago

But than there is a new way to scale privileges, it is true

LOL

One more thing to take care about.

I can not say than sudo it is a broken concetp

Or an old fashioned concept.

but machinectl Shell -h IP can even replace ssh

I not sure, sysmtend os becoming to much complex

So sshd is not systemded at all?

With a bad kernel you can load a old kernel

A issue a sysmtend will de hard to recovert

Now I'm lost

Enlight me.

Even than a read something no more rescue mode entry in grub Menu

Even than a read something no more rescue mode entry in grub Menu

¿?

Now I'm lost

Not understand, you have 3 kernel, but only a systemd

You mixed lots of stuff on the go.

Maybe

Any way

machinectl shell

No more sudo or su - c again

Once F24 is out

?

No more sudo or su - c again

?

No more sudo or su - c again

?

No more sudo or su - c again

Huh?

machinectl shell

Machi-what now?

Machi-what now?

Embrace your shells, systemd is coming.

Is there a workaround to remove gnome without breaking the whole system?

Why not take a server iso, do a custom install and go for basic desktop. You will have LDM instead of GDM. The pagages of i3 or OpenBox are not intrusive. Then you have a point where you can select a DE of your choice without depending on Gnome. Just an idea that came up for a virtual machine. I wanted gui but not a DE. So went for this route. Later, I set it to only boot on init 3.

soon linux may need replacing by systemd and the pkan will be revealed: Lennux - the new dominant *nix-like OS

plan

Why not take a server iso, do a custom install and go for basic desktop. You will have LDM instead of GDM. The pagages of i3 or OpenBox are not intrusive. Then you have a point where you can select a DE of your choice without depending on Gnome. Just an idea that came up for a virtual machine. I wanted gui but not a DE. So went for this route. Later, I set it to only boot on init 3.

I have done this in the past, but doesn't help when you just want to uninstall something (gnome) to try something else (KDE), this is topic came up after following the news from @GNUDebian upgranding process.

Is a shame not having modularity process or work arounds to solve this without having to make a fresh install.

I have done this in the past, but doesn't help when you just want to uninstall something (gnome) to try something else (KDE), this is topic came up after following the news from @GNUDebian upgranding process.

Right ... If you already installed gnome then is a lost cause. Everything will fall apart if you try to remove it

Right ... If you already installed gnome then is a lost cause. Everything will fall apart if you try to remove it

This is not something new, recently I found a thread on a official fedora mailing list and final verdict was like: «Don't waste your time, there's not any approach to solve this kind of scenarios»

This is not something new, recently I found a thread on a official fedora mailing list and final verdict was like: «Don't waste your time, there's not any approach to solve this kind of scenarios»

I am not aware that it was possible at any point in the past.

Actually, it is possible to install an remove packages groups collections i.e. Development tools, but uninstalling gnome brake the whole system despite having another DE. So, dnf is not enough intelligent to remove packages without braking the system.

This is why packages or packages groups should be modulars and independents from very low and core basic system.

I'm not religious, but such a beatiful building!

That's what I thought!

Or Are you Brazilian.

Are you Brazilian (question) You are Brazilian (fact) You is Brazilian (wrong!)

I am using cinnamon over gnome

Love Cinnamon. I use it myself.

Are you Brazilian (question) You are Brazilian (fact) You is Brazilian (wrong!)

Fedora English classes

Cinnamon is kind of heavy too

I used Cinnamon in a 1GB RAM netbook. Works smoothly.

Fedora English classes

Yup

To later install another DE?

Why don't you install a spin? If you don't like Gnome it doesn't make sense to have it.

Let's say you type a sudo command, and you leave the table without closing screen sesion, since sudo have a 5 minutes no-password request anybody can type whatever they want on the computer.

In other words: Close your session!!

Why don't you install a spin? If you don't like Gnome it doesn't make sense to have it.

Try i3

Why don't you install a spin? If you don't like Gnome it doesn't make sense to have it.

A have read emails from you in which you ask about why if you are using X DE why opening a random file uses the other equivalent app from the other DE, that is because installing a Desktop environment over another existing DE duplicates tools, i.e. have cinnamon and on top of it you install KDE, after this you will end up with 2 file managers (nemo and dolphin)

So been able to remove existing DE before o after install another is useful

Mmm... No. Dolphin isn't installed by default.

But happens if you run KDE on top of gnome.

Install KDE spin

Are you Brazilian (question) You are Brazilian (fact) You is Brazilian (wrong!)

haahahha Fedora English Class.

?

Install KDE spin

Sigh, it is not the point we are debating.

Why you want to remove stuff? Do you suffer a lack of space?

I never install more than one DE on the same installation.

I don't. A second desktop is useful when something goes wrong in the main one.

Why you want to remove stuff? Do you suffer a lack of space?

To not duplicate stuff, the point is that you should be able to remove stuff you need anymore without braking the whole system, without having to reinstall.

I don't. A second desktop is useful when something goes wrong in the main one.

No is not. That is not the proper way to debug an issue. Throwing out your computer and getting another one new makes the same solution, don you think?

Even reinstalling the whole system, but is not the point.

That's cheap and lazy.

Gnome have a lot of dependencies once installed, yes you will be able to uninstall but with consequences. I recommend you install a basic installation without DE

Are you Brazilian (question) You are Brazilian (fact) You is Brazilian (wrong!)

Ohhh, thanks...?.. I wanted to say: ohh, you are Brazilian.

Thanks

☺️

What about trying a live? It's better than wasting time installing and uninstalling

And the email you mentioned, from me, was a configuration issue. I fixed it and everybody happy.

That's a nice one.

No is not. That is not the proper way to debug an issue. Throwing out your computer and getting another one new makes the same solution, don you think?

I can't find any logic on what you said...

Thanks

You're welcome!

In current Fedora releases the stability rocks, it is not very probable to be unable to get a working sesión un your DE after a update

At less than you have propietary drivers for your grafics

Mine are Intel. Never an issue. But I experienced problems with Nemo from time to time.

I have pcmanfm as my main file manager

I don't like it much...

Gnome have a lot of dependencies once installed, yes you will be able to uninstall but with consequences. I recommend you install a basic installation without DE

This is not what we are discussing, the case is when you have an existing fedora like @GNUDebian, who upgrated with dnf from 21 to 22 and the to 23. When might be the possibility that the user does not want to make a fresh install or it is not an option. This is why a mentioned about modularity.

Humm

I did to test, maybe will be better to download a new ISO.

I can't find any logic on what you said...

I see you can't.

I did to test, maybe will be better to download a new ISO.

And did it last year. I always make fresh installs from netinstall on all my computers.

This is not what we are discussing, the case is when you have an existing fedora like @GNUDebian, who upgrated with dnf from 21 to 22 and the to 23. When might be the possibility that the user does not want to make a fresh install or it is not an option. This is why a mentioned about modularity.

If you fins something than you think Debian os mm doing better than Fedora open a bug a request the enhancement