Eris
tell me more
matt
it tries to reimplement it's own version of microsoft code developed from scratch or out of publicy-available open source code that microsoft contributes to sites such as github (another company under microsoft controll).
matt
it doesn't try to copy or imitate all features that microsoft products have
Eris
no way
matt
there's no reactOS clone of microsoft store that contains pirated copies of microsoft products.
there's no reactOS movie maker that comes pre-installed in every single download.
matt
it tries to become compatible by looking at how software performs with their own open source implementation of system calls versus the obfuscated ones that microsoft OS have.
matt
microsoft code is incredibly obfuscated and confusing to analyze
matt
this situation is similar to that of bsd many years ago when it was once claimed that it contained proprietary code from unix systemV.
Chungy
I think you might misunderstand what ReactOS is.
Chungy
It is a reimplementation of Windows, presently targetting Windows NT 5.2 (Server 2003/XP x64).
Chungy
this situation is similar to that of bsd many years ago when it was once claimed that it contained proprietary code from unix systemV.
that's also.... not at all what the BSDi v. AT&T lawsuit was about.
Momade
reactOS is not exactly a 1-1 clone of windows
It's the only Windows (NT) clone at the moment (and has been for a long while). I think your statement is incorrect...
Chungy
It's the only Windows (NT) clone at the moment (and has been for a long while). I think your statement is incorrect...
The only one that implements the kernel and all the services that go into making an OS tick.
Wine is an implementation that is geared only toward user-space applications so the job of kernel, graphics, audio, et al are punted off to whatever OS you run it on. :p
Momade
The only one that implements the kernel and all the services that go into making an OS tick.
Wine is an implementation that is geared only toward user-space applications so the job of kernel, graphics, audio, et al are punted off to whatever OS you run it on. :p
Yes, it could run on QNX and it doesn't care. :p
matt
It's the only Windows (NT) clone at the moment (and has been for a long while). I think your statement is incorrect...
false. there's also os/free, freeVMS and greenteaOS that are available as projects (albeit, not active quite as often).
Momade
false. there's also os/free, freeVMS and greenteaOS that are available as projects (albeit, not active quite as often).
Seriously? Boot up osFree, I dare you
Chungy
OS/2 isn't Windows NT, VMS isn't Windows NT, and Greentea is a vaporware fork
Momade
FreeVMS isn't even NT
matt
not fully true, the guy that worked on freeVMS was then hired by microsoft to build windows nt
Momade
And GreenTeaOS whatever actually took code from... Drumrolls ReactOS
Chungy
Chungy
You're confusing it with OpenVMS and Dave Cutler. Some ideas carried over but that was all. No code, and not even the exact same ideas.
matt
windows nt shares a lot of similarities with freeVMS, the userspace interface is almost similar
matt
they also used the same .exe extensions for programs, but the APIs may not be quite as similar
Chungy
and guess what, there's similarities between NT and Linux. Still doesn't make them the same.
matt
Windows NT and VMS: The Rest of the Story
https://www.itprotoday.com/compute-engines/windows-nt-and-vms-rest-story
Momade
windows nt shares a lot of similarities with freeVMS, the userspace interface is almost similar
Erhm. No. Please lend an ear (or an eye, in this case) before answering about things you don't really know... Or, things that maybe you got wrong (we, people, make mistakes - and that's our nature).
matt
Momade
they also used the same .exe extensions for programs, but the APIs may not be quite as similar
.exe was there at the time of the Doomed Operating System (DOS)
matt
matt
my statements aren't coming out of thin air
Momade
matt
at least it's full to complete
matt
this was the only good article I could find discussing the similarities between vms and nt in more detail
matt
back then, there where also usenet forums jooking about the similarities between VMS and NT.
matt
GitHub - rroart/freevms: FreeVMS (0.3.17 release continued), the only working one
https://github.com/rroart/freevms
matt
GitHub - rroart/freevms: FreeVMS (0.3.17 release continued), the only working one
https://github.com/rroart/freevms
this was a project attempting at reverse enginering openVMS, but development stalled.
Chungy
OpenVMS and NT are different beasts. They share some concepts (some of which predate OpenVMS), but that's not the same as sharing the same design, code, or philosophies. They really don't.
Tesla started out being staffed by people fed up with traditional car companies. You probably wouldn't say that Tesla cars are the same as Ford or Chevy. They might share similarities, but they are not equal.
matt
OpenVMS and NT are different beasts. They share some concepts (some of which predate OpenVMS), but that's not the same as sharing the same design, code, or philosophies. They really don't.
Tesla started out being staffed by people fed up with traditional car companies. You probably wouldn't say that Tesla cars are the same as Ford or Chevy. They might share similarities, but they are not equal.
nope, tesla uses a factory that used to make japanese cars in the 80s.
matt
they don't make the same designs, but at least they carry over some experience
Chungy
oh so you're saying Tesla is the same as Toyota
matt
not quite, I'm saying that experience is what matters
Chungy
they don't make the same designs, but at least they carry over some experience
That's the point of the analogy. Cutler didn't copy OpenVMS within Microsoft, but he used his experiences to drive the development of NT.
matt
if you can improve upon past knowledge, you can make better decisions for the future.
Chungy
If you'd like some "fun" go try running NT 3.1. You can achieve it most easily via 86Box.
NT 3.1 very much feels more like a prototype than a real OS. NT 3.51 is where it solidified into a thing.
matt
openVMS failed to gain traction but look where NT is now
Chungy
matt
openVMS didn't even had an interface
Chungy
sure it does
Chungy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DECwindows-openvms-v7.3-1.png
matt
matt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DECwindows-openvms-v7.3-1.png
nope, that's a desktop environment tailored for it
matt
nope, that's a desktop environment tailored for it
it is also present in other unix-like OSes
Chungy
You'd need at least 16MB of RAM for that, no? Or 32?
16MB is probably good. I think it'll run in 8, maybe less.
High system requirements are a large reason NT didn't replace DOS-based Windows until XP
Chungy
Still, that's an emulator, I can give it as much RAM as I'd like :p
matt
matt
Chungy
Your point? You can get it running on Windows too. Does that invalidate it?
Julen
matt
Your point? You can get it running on Windows too. Does that invalidate it?
nothing, justing something I wanted to show you
matt
for windows there's the cairo shell
matt
matt
I tried it myself and it was a bit slow, maybe I can try it on reactOS to see how it works once I have the time to do it.
Momade
Momade
I tried it myself and it was a bit slow, maybe I can try it on reactOS to see how it works once I have the time to do it.
You can go and try Microsoft BOB on ReactOS, instead.
matt
I don't like the look of it
matt
matt
Sony VAIO - 11 themes : themeworld : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
https://archive.org/details/sonyvaio_202005#ia-carousel
matt
Windows Desktop Themes : Free Software : Free Download, Borrow and Streaming : Internet Archive
https://archive.org/details/windowsdesktopthemes
matt
Windows Desktop Themes : Free Software : Free Download, Borrow and Streaming : Internet Archive
https://archive.org/details/windowsdesktopthemes
this place has some weird and some awesome themes that could be tried on ReactOS if time allows it
Chungy
Mike
Mike
All windows before 2000 were a nightmare for a reason or another
Mike
And I am (was) a 98se fan, using it till 2006 on my main rig
Mike
Xp didn't start well, too
Mike
Its first release was quite heavy and slow even for decent computers of the time (256 mb ram was quite a lot). It was sometimes also more sensitive to damaged capacitors and mobos than windows 98se
Momade
Its first release was quite heavy and slow even for decent computers of the time (256 mb ram was quite a lot). It was sometimes also more sensitive to damaged capacitors and mobos than windows 98se
Well, the HP tower I got in 2015-ish originally had XP and 256MB RAM... And it was used in an office! Like, really used (I mean, it was an office computer after all). They used outlook on that thing. In 2015...