never
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The_DarkFire_
What a loser
The_DarkFire_
Uefis aren't real PCs
matt
matt
matt
matt
The_DarkFire_
Sir you're posting a lot of haiku in the reactos telegram
matt
because images are enough to express two words
The_DarkFire_
And what are you trying to express
matt
Тема "Haiku OS" для Windows 7
http://7themes.su/load/windows_7_themes/computers/haiku_os/14-1-0-1012
The_DarkFire_
Oh
The_DarkFire_
Fooled me I thought that was just haiku lmao
matt
Julen
matt
for me, MBR was just a simple idea that needed to get extended further with newer upgrades.
Chungy
It did. Extended partitions.
matt
UEFI boot is such a locked system under the hands of the vendor
matt
I don't understand why it was invented
Matrix Telegram Bridge
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: you just said why
matt
freedom is gone, long live freedom
Chungy
MBR kind of sucks tho, GPT is better. If you want a fun project, modify ReactOS's bootloader to boot off of BIOS+GPT. Maybe after that, make it UEFI compatible too.
matt
with what army?
Tobiyo
Your (one man) army :^3
Mike
uefi had a lot of good things in theory, like no need for os drivers, and vendor locks too. ofc the shitty things got implemented, and good ones which would have helped alternative oses didn't get implemented, ofc
Mike
so, uefi implementation + pervasive networking + social media and social networks for mass manipulation = welcome to a vendor locked world, with the worst of huxleyan and orwellian things together too
Matrix Telegram Bridge
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: in reality it got over bloated and the oses still need the drivers
the only thing you got was slightly faster boot time and a vendor boot logo
Chungy
honestly GPT is the only good part of UEFI
matt
more hard drive space wasted
The_DarkFire_
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: in reality it got over bloated and the oses still need the drivers
the only thing you got was slightly faster boot time and a vendor boot logo
Dunno, you also got more universal boot methods in general
Bios is insecure and slow
Chungy
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: in reality it got over bloated and the oses still need the drivers
the only thing you got was slightly faster boot time and a vendor boot logo
the OS-agnostic drivers were never taken seriously in the first place. Despite Intel and Microsoft making UEFI in the first place, Microsoft always ignored that part of the spec. Windows wrestles control away from UEFI as early as possible to do hardware drivers itself.
You can technically run Linux in a mode where it relies more on UEFI drivers, but then you notice.... UEFI drivers just plain old suck. Nobody uses them so nobody bothers making them good.
Chungy
Dunno, you also got more universal boot methods in general
Bios is insecure and slow
"insecure and slow" by what measures? It's really neither.
Matrix Telegram Bridge
Dunno, you also got more universal boot methods in general
Bios is insecure and slow
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: and uefi gives your rce ootb and unlike the kernel we cant update it
matt
but, what if some hackers attacked my hard drive storage by hiding dangerous files into the efi partition?
Matrix Telegram Bridge
The_DarkFire_
"insecure and slow" by what measures? It's really neither.
There's nothing preventing you from overwriting a bios, oh top of that
bios is bloated with old workarounds and an ancient method of starting the hardware
If you create a bootloader
How many work around do you need to get basic things working on core 2 duo motherboards
And that's just one brand
matt
good ideas are only good when they are simple and clear
The_DarkFire_
Anyone that's seriously written a bootloader loves bios for its simplicity on one to two pieces of hardware
. But objectively it's a dying subject for a reason
The_DarkFire_
That's not even including the fact uefi brings uniformity to other archs
The_DarkFire_
Freeldr got like 4 extra compatible architectures just by me working on uefi in it, and tell me how to do that with a BIOS
Matrix Telegram Bridge
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: the magic uniformity that somehow doesnt exist
The_DarkFire_
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: the magic uniformity that somehow doesnt exist
Some how it does if the same code works across architectures
matt
despite all the hate going on, we must become as supportive to as many devices as we can
The_DarkFire_
You can't even say it doesn't exist because I have 80 different uefi devices and freeldr works the same on all of them :oof:
The_DarkFire_
I have yet to find a device that needs a workaround
The_DarkFire_
So "uniformity that doesn't exist" my ass
Matrix Telegram Bridge
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: this sounds like one of the things that makes more sense to discuss in 5 years linear time
The_DarkFire_
Okay I can accept that
The_DarkFire_
I like the way you think there
Matrix Telegram Bridge
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: on the contrary on this very machine i see the linux kernel spitting out the workarounds it applied 🐸
Matrix Telegram Bridge
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: well yes, in 5 years when i expect uefi in ros to be done, we will see how uniform it was
The_DarkFire_
I've seen it apply work around to its own bootloader but not the firmware
The_DarkFire_
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: well yes, in 5 years when i expect uefi in ros to be done, we will see how uniform it was
yes itll be done and won't have a bunch of workarounds for every third motherboard in a line
matt
currently, IBM power9 stands as the sole fully-open motherboard hardware architecture
matt
it's as powerful as x86 since it is used in server workstations and mainframe computers
matt
matt
https://youtu.be/L7w4m8C3AgU
Chungy
it's as powerful as x86 since it is used in server workstations and mainframe computers
that's.... not how computers work
Chungy
Doom 3 is an 18 year old game too. Not the most impressive feat to run it.
matt
Doom 3 is an 18 year old game too. Not the most impressive feat to run it.
not many people own a computer that costs nearly 50000+ dollars
Chungy
What year do you think it is?
matt
it was the sole good gameplay video I could find
Chungy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMYUgfvijvY
matt
maybe it can also run newer games too
Matrix Telegram Bridge
that's.... not how computers work
Hyperbased in Hyperspace: its not like it matters with that software https://youtu.be/ArDAAs_arq8
matt
people are doing everything on that thing, raspberry PIs are experiencing shortages right now
matt
they sell like hot cakes
Chungy
The point was a $30 computer capable of doing what you thought requires $5000
matt
a nintendo switch console isn't that great speecs-wise as compared to a ps5, but you can do many things with it.
sometimes software can be adjusted to run on lower-end hardware as well as it would on high-spec hardware
Chungy
i don't know what you're arguing anymore
matt
if IBM power computers wherent all that expensive to begin with then more people will buy it and do many more gameplay videos with it
matt
but people only think that it's a computer only good at doing server stuff and not exactly gaming
matt
for now the conversation ends here
Chungy
if you're hung up about having a POWER ISA and gaming on it, maybe buy an Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3.
matt
I already have it, thanks