Chungy
you'd see sort of a repeat a few years down the line, where Vista really wanted 1GB to run well but when 256MB desktops were still common... it got rejected as a pig.
Chungy
Windows 7 didn't even bother reskinning it, it was just a rename :D
Camarada Gato
The incredible thing is that Windows NT 3.x required something between 12 MB and 16 MB to run, this at a time when high-end PCs had 16 MB of RAM.
It's no wonder that a lot of people stayed in MS DOS.
Tobiyo
and now tis unrunnable on less than a Gig lol
Chungy
I think NT 3.1 could run on 8MB RAM but that was the low-end.
(Honestly, NT 3.1 sucked. It was way more technical preview than a practical OS. It was NT 3.51 that felt like a real product)
Chungy
The incredible thing is that Windows NT 3.x required something between 12 MB and 16 MB to run, this at a time when high-end PCs had 16 MB of RAM.
It's no wonder that a lot of people stayed in MS DOS.
In 1993, 4MB was considered high-end for home PCs. :p
Camarada Gato
In 1993, 4MB was considered high-end for home PCs. :p
It's worse than I thought, but I'm not surprised by that.
Chungy
NT4 was like that still... 16MB minimum at a time that it was still high-end specs. Relegated it to workstations and servers.
Camarada Gato
I imagine a good deal, whether buying a cheap PC with Windows 95 at the time it was launched and opening MS DOS mode to play DOOM and other heavy games of the time.
I may be traveling on the moon, but I believe this may have been a considerable advantage.
Chungy
you could normally play Doom without doing DOS mode :P
Camarada Gato
you could normally play Doom without doing DOS mode :P
Yes, but imagine a PC with 8 MB of RAM that barely runs Windows 95, but in DOS mode starts to run DOOM.
Chungy
you could probably do both at once.
Chungy
I could test this.
Chungy
Chungy
works good enough :p
Camarada Gato
Although this Windows supports swap file.
Can you test a gameplay?
Chungy
it runs full speed
Camarada Gato
Thanks
Chungy
using 86box for that. You could install Windows 95 on basically any configuration you want
Chungy
I normally have that VM set to 128MB RAM
Camarada Gato
Doing some search, I found that Windows 95 minimum requirement is 4 MB of RAM, although 8 MB is recommended for acceptable performance.
Chungy
Chungy
it's actually possible to boot it on 3. :P
Camarada Gato
Chungy
purpose. It defaulted to VGA 16-color mode.
Camarada Gato
I've already been able to boot Windows XP with 32 MB of RAM, although I don't recommend it because it gets really bad.
Chungy
I thought the monochrome was just an extra touch on an extreme low-end spec.
Also would not recommend anyone to try doing that. It was like an hour just to install and another 20 minutes to boot
Camarada Gato
purpose. It defaulted to VGA 16-color mode.
There is a project called VBEMP 9x, which allows you to use standard VESA resolutions. (is a VESA driver for Windows 9x)
I believe it can be of great help for experimenting with Windows 9x.
Chungy
With that emulator you can just do era-exact hardware and sometimes that includes the drivers that come with it :P
Chungy
the one with Doom was a Voodoo3 GPU
Camarada Gato
I understood
Camarada Gato
I don't particularly like emulating a Windows 9x PC on non-32-bit color settings because it always runs a little slow on my computer.
Camarada Gato
I believe, however, that 16-bit is also acceptable, as most icons from that era are not in 24-bit or 32-bit.
GALLY
I believe that FreeDOS is the best possible compatibility with DOS software without using abandoned operating system
For all the effects, FreeDOS is at feature-parity with DOS...
Camarada Gato
For all the effects, FreeDOS is at feature-parity with DOS...
Some limitations I'm aware of involves the fact that it doesn't support some Windows.
http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Windows
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Guys, any usable React OS x64 revisions ? I always got "Setup failed to create the registry hives" when installling inside Virtual Box.
Camarada Gato
Guys, any usable React OS x64 revisions ? I always got "Setup failed to create the registry hives" when installling inside Virtual Box.
I haven't actually tried this recently, but you can test what you have here and open a bug report if necessary.
https://reactos.org/getbuilds/
Mike
9x was a deeply flawed architecture that was only ever a stopgap measure in the first place.
There were a few times that MS almost canceled Chicago (Windows 95), but NT was still too resource hungry for general consumers.
Repeat with 98 and Me being bones thrown out while still whipping NT into shape. Supposedly there was going to be a 2000 Home Edition but that got punted off to XP instead.
Iirc, neptune was supposed to be the merging point. Ms decided to delay and then kill it
Kirn
Iirc, neptune was supposed to be the merging point. Ms decided to delay and then kill it
No, it got folded into Whistler.
The jump to NT was always planned to go the way it went. There was no magic VMM compatibility layer planned to allow 9x-style VxD drivers to live on a while longer, etc.
Always was going to be a hard cut.
Momade
https://www.xda-developers.com/otter-browser-os2/
That's interesting. They have a Firefox port but maybe it's too old now
Momade
Camarada Gato
Iirc, neptune was supposed to be the merging point. Ms decided to delay and then kill it
For me, Windows Neptune was supposed to be Windows NT for home users, but for some reason it didn't work out and they put its userland in Windows 98, thus creating Windows ME with some adaptations.
Camarada Gato
I cannot say that Windows Neptune simply disappeared from the map, as it is not difficult to imagine that there was code from it used in Windows ME and mainly in Windows 2000.
Can
https://twitter.com/reactos/status/1603646107539722243?t=JbjFFXAMeZTCjk72cur9_g&s=19
matt
windows longhorn anyone?
matt
matt
matt
https://youtu.be/nIoQAEBImv8
matt
https://youtu.be/2tm5T4H6RhM
капибарыня
lmao I had these sounds in a modded build of winxp I used in 2010
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https://pastebin.com/qri4EWg6
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trying to install this
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http://www.ignitronecu.com/?page=downloads&lang=en
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in wine the installer runs
matt
why using pulseaudio instead of pipewire on reactOS?
Julen
ReactOS uses pulseaudio? Where? AFAIK ReactOS uses DirectSound and Wave...
matt
no, it plans to use it
matt
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire
matt
ReactOS uses pulseaudio? Where? AFAIK ReactOS uses DirectSound and Wave...
the one that reactOS uses appears to be modified just to fit the NT kernel architecture
Julen
why using pulseaudio instead of pipewire on reactOS?
You are talking about Arch and you're misinformed or something...
matt
both pulseaudio and pipewire are decent programs, I'm not surprised if ReactOS decides to fork a few bits of code
Julen
both pulseaudio and pipewire are decent programs, I'm not surprised if ReactOS decides to fork a few bits of code
But ReactOS is not Linux... I mean. Better to have before what is not in linux still.
matt
bsd isn't linux, but their components (including the WI-FI and usb stacks) are so good that developers have been forking them for a long time (even for building smaller operating system projects from the ground up)
matt
Haiku OS is another example, it has forked the BSD USB drive stack to make it compatible with external attachments such as USB mouses
Victor
is that intended for your personal blog? :D
Daniel "TheReimi"
BSD is not Linux, right, but a POSIX system. ReactOS is not, like not even the slightest part of it is.
Regarding USB: We had to create our own USB stack as it would be more work to wrap around the POSIX one than just to rewrite it.
Regarding Audio: The Windows Audio stack is COMPLETELY different compared to the user mode toy of BSD or whatever we choose from the POSIX sandbox here. I'd like to see the source of the claim we are planning to use PulseAudio anywhere. We need no PulseAudio or PipeWire or whatever name was chosen for 20348278th audio stack from the POSIX kiddies's fork of a forked fork. We need a Windows compatible stack for any available way a app can use to produce sound. Not more, not less. And this is alrady there to some level. That's why we have audio already. Just not everywhere and that super stable.
Daniel "TheReimi"
Tobiyo
You didn't have to disparage the posix side as 'toys' xd
Daniel "TheReimi"
But I wanted to ^^
Daniel "TheReimi"
I expected some criticism regarding my forked fork of a knife tbh...
Tobiyo
Lol the moment you said "toy" i no longer felt the need to criticize any further :p
Camarada Gato
For those who have doubts, I found his email in the curriculum vitae available on the internet, so I consider his email as public information.