Julio
That would imply deactivating win32k
Chungy
Takes one person to do it.
Matrix Telegram Bridge
Windows has never offered a "pure console" mode anyway.
hbelusca Z[J]=∫𝒟𝜑 exp(ⅈS[𝜑,J]/ℏ): true, until Windows Server Core / nanoServer
Matrix Telegram Bridge
hbelusca Z[J]=∫𝒟𝜑 exp(ⅈS[𝜑,J]/ℏ): which in a sense is a "pure console",
Matrix Telegram Bridge
hbelusca Z[J]=∫𝒟𝜑 exp(ⅈS[𝜑,J]/ℏ): however, it's still limited (unless you connect to it via ssh)
matt
netlabs.org - Homepage
http://odin.netlabs.org/en/site/index.xml
matt
Odin - NikiWiki
http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/Odin
matt
netlabs.org - Homepage
http://odin.netlabs.org/en/site/downloads.xml
matt
interesting software project aiming at making windows executables work on os/2, arcaOS
matt
it also includes some other interesting informations that may or may not be useful for main developers of ReactOS, but that's up to the decision of the main team
matt
Soundcard Device Drivers - NikiWiki
http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/Soundcard_Device_Drivers
matt
Category:Discontinued Projects - NikiWiki
http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/Category:Discontinued_Projects
matt
BT32 - NikiWiki
http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/BT32
matt
BT32 - NikiWiki
http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/BT32
interesting tv card compatibility project for os/2
matt
in general: even if these two are not the same OS, os/2 and windows share a few similarities in terms of software architecture due to it's own complicated past of being developed by both microsoft and IBM. an .exe file developed to run on os/2 will not necessarly run on win32 and vice versa, but this is not always the case
matt
The Dream of an Open Source OS/2 Warp Clone: John Ridges tools now public domain
http://openwarp.blogspot.com/2015/12/john-ridges-tools-now-public-domain.html?m=1
matt
open source cursor and graphic animation software for os/2 released in the public domain.
Could be a “source” of inspiration.
GALLY
The Dream of an Open Source OS/2 Warp Clone: John Ridges tools now public domain
http://openwarp.blogspot.com/2015/12/john-ridges-tools-now-public-domain.html?m=1
Osfree-related?
https://github.com/OS2World/SYSTEM-OS-OSFree
https://github.com/ErisBlastar/osfree
matt
Osfree-related?
https://github.com/OS2World/SYSTEM-OS-OSFree
https://github.com/ErisBlastar/osfree
not necessarly, but the former developer of that package went on to abanddon os/2 development a long time ago
matt
The Dream of an Open Source OS/2 Warp Clone: More little things
http://openwarp.blogspot.com/2020/02/more-little-things.html?m=1
matt
Category:Projects - NikiWiki
http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/Category:Projects
matt
Category:Projects - NikiWiki
http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/Category:Projects
this developer mostly focus on software than operating systems-per se, it's still is an interesting read noneless
matt
Voyager FAQ - NikiWiki
http://wiki.netlabs.org/index.php/Voyager_FAQ
matt
OS/2: Everything is an object
MacOS X: Not everything is an object
Gnome: We once tried objects
KDE: We claim there are objects
Windows: There is no object
matt
this developer mostly focus on software than operating systems-per se, it's still is an interesting read noneless
maybe we could check the code for any random bit of code that could be useful to reactOS
Marco
Osfree-related?
https://github.com/OS2World/SYSTEM-OS-OSFree
https://github.com/ErisBlastar/osfree
https://github.com/osfree-project/
Mark
matt
retrogamers :)
Chungy
OS/2 for games... wat
matt
os/2 has good emulation support for DOS games
matt
including some old win32 applications
Chungy
Windows 9x probably does it better, and that's definitely more common in retro setups.
matt
os/2 supports multiuser
matt
and a fairly few advanced features that win9x didn't have
matt
http://web.mit.edu/os2/www/flc.html
matt
this was an article written by a former hardcore supporter of os/2
matt
of course emulators have gotten very advanced as of latelly, but nothing compares to experience the original operating system firsthand
matt
sadly it died due to harsh competition and bad marketing. we didn't get neither os/3 or os/4, only two informal successors like ecomstation and arcaOS
Chungy
If you're purporting OS/2 for its DOS compatibility, I think it's well worth noting that Windows 95/98/Me have it covered.
Speaking to the choir if you think ReactOS people don't know about additional capabilities that also exist in Windows NT, the OS that ReactOS is copying design from.
matt
of course winNT is more defined. it was developed much later
Camarada Gato
I believe that FreeDOS is the best possible compatibility with DOS software without using abandoned operating system
Chungy
yeah I use FreeDOS in an 86box VM. It's almost as nice as Win95 with regard to exposing all the right kinds of memory to programs :P
Chungy
I only say almost because Win95 can go a step beyond where each DOS program runs in its own VM and so you really don't get any memory consumed by OS drivers.
Chungy
probably ReactOS's NTVDM does the same but I haven't bothered with DOS programs in ReactOS
Chungy
it was
Camarada Gato
Why does Andrew Tanenbaum classify Windows 8 and 8.1 as a different family than Windows NT?
Camarada Gato
Book: Modern Operating Systems, 4th edition
Chungy
my copy is decades old :P
you could try emailing him and asking.
Camarada Gato
Ok, i can try.
Chungy
Possible rationale: Microsoft considers NT as dead since 2000, and the line of operating systems that started as NT is now simply "Windows"; there no longer exists the original line that was based on MS-DOS and they hope that makes it not confusing.
(the fact that even MS engineers continue to refer to it as "NT", and the kernel is still "NTOSKRNL.EXE" might put a wedge in it)
Chungy
By that rationale, marketing wins and the last product called "Windows NT" was in 1996. :P
Chungy
Why does Andrew Tanenbaum classify Windows 8 and 8.1 as a different family than Windows NT?
Can you take a picture of the page?
Camarada Gato
Possible rationale: Microsoft considers NT as dead since 2000, and the line of operating systems that started as NT is now simply "Windows"; there no longer exists the original line that was based on MS-DOS and they hope that makes it not confusing.
(the fact that even MS engineers continue to refer to it as "NT", and the kernel is still "NTOSKRNL.EXE" might put a wedge in it)
It classifies from NT 3.1 to Windows 7 as NT family.
Windows 8 and 8.1 it classifies as "modern family".
Chungy
Portuguese does no good to me, yeah
Chungy
Camarada Gato
Chungy
In my mind, there's basically three distinct eras of NT
1. The early years: 3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0
2. The grown-up years: 2000, XP, 2003
3. The modern era: Vista, 7, 8, etc
Camarada Gato
Chungy
Honestly in a lot of ways Windows 10 and 11 are not much more than a reskinned Vista
Camarada Gato
No Windows 10, because this book probably is older than Windows 10.
Chungy
Aye, that's reasonable.
The_DarkFire_
Honestly in a lot of ways Windows 10 and 11 are not much more than a reskinned Vista
Thats quite a leap but you're not entirely wrong
Chungy
There's usually talk about XP being "the merge of 9x and NT" but honestly it's way more marketing hype than reality. XP brought over the System Restore concept (doubtful it's even the same code) and Movie Maker from Windows Me but that's about the most real it is.
Chungy
Thats quite a leap but you're not entirely wrong
Windows 2000 and Vista represent the only two times that Microsoft really overhauled the OS. Successive versions have been incremental changes only.
Camarada Gato
I can clearly understand what differentiates Windows 9x and Windows XP, despite my limited technical knowledge.
I understood that Windows 9x had to be discontinued, because it was too difficult to maintain and had too much assembly code, as well as having the excuse that too much assembly code made it too dependent on the X86 architecture.
The_DarkFire_
Windows 2000 and Vista represent the only two times that Microsoft really overhauled the OS. Successive versions have been incremental changes only.
Overhauled is objective,
The jump from 7 -> 8 saw a lot of internal changes
It's not just a reskin,
And even 11 has white few difference from 10
For instance windows 8 saw the the introduction to a complete depreciation of the way platform hardware is handled
The_DarkFire_
And by windows 10~ HAL doesn't even exist
The_DarkFire_
That's just one in a many but you get the idea
Chungy
I can clearly understand what differentiates Windows 9x and Windows XP, despite my limited technical knowledge.
I understood that Windows 9x had to be discontinued, because it was too difficult to maintain and had too much assembly code, as well as having the excuse that too much assembly code made it too dependent on the X86 architecture.
9x was a deeply flawed architecture that was only ever a stopgap measure in the first place.
There were a few times that MS almost canceled Chicago (Windows 95), but NT was still too resource hungry for general consumers.
Repeat with 98 and Me being bones thrown out while still whipping NT into shape. Supposedly there was going to be a 2000 Home Edition but that got punted off to XP instead.
Camarada Gato
It makes sense, as one of the advantages of 9x was that it was very cost-effective and far more compatible.
A Windows 95 run better on low-cost computers even than Windows NT 3.1, even at the cost of instabilities due to relying on MS DOS drivers or Windows drivers from the time when it was just a graphical interface.
Chungy
It was a bit more stable than classic Mac OS but that's not saying much :P
Camarada Gato
I believe that the decisive factor to stop the 9x was the difficulty of maintaining the evolution and portability of this satan.
Chungy
At least Windows 9x mostly had protected memory and preemptive multitasking.... at least when applications didn't actively work around both of those features (and it happened quite a bit).
Chungy
I believe that the decisive factor to stop the 9x was the difficulty of maintaining the evolution and portability of this satan.
even Microsoft internally knew it was a dead end development. It was a way to have something out there on average consumer PCs without asking everyone to buy 4× as much RAM.
At least until hardware caught up with NT's system requirements and then Windows XP was released.