Can understand: all my colleagues use Ubuntu at work, because it's suggested by google for android development and they are used to it (moslty they use Win at home). Every time, every man (except of one arch-guy) is trying to say me: "Stop using fedora, it causes issues for you, use ubuntu, everything is better here" (and lots of other stuff). And guess who is always helping them when the people chash their Ubuntu's?)

Google suggested that? I'm an Android developer and I use fedora at work( a lot faster than Ubuntu) without any issues. I use the gtk interface with Arc Maia theme which make it look super awesome. Using Linux is a choice of freedom and frankly speaking Canonical lost my reputation when they sold themselves to Microsoft.

Google suggested that? I'm an Android developer and I use fedora at work( a lot faster than Ubuntu) without any issues. I use the gtk interface with Arc Maia theme which make it look super awesome. Using Linux is a choice of freedom and frankly speaking Canonical lost my reputation when they sold themselves to Microsoft.

They sold themselves to Amazon loong before that...

On Windows you don't even need to touch anything if you use to surf internet

Yes, but w/o the express settings tweak, it can spy on you and what not...

Google suggested that? I'm an Android developer and I use fedora at work( a lot faster than Ubuntu) without any issues. I use the gtk interface with Arc Maia theme which make it look super awesome. Using Linux is a choice of freedom and frankly speaking Canonical lost my reputation when they sold themselves to Microsoft.

But for android framework developers Google suggests to use Ubuntu, because of build system of AOSP. There are actually some real issues, which I was facing (find packages equivalent, change make version etc), but I resolved everything.

Moreover, they suggect an exact versions for different android versions.

But for android framework developers Google suggests to use Ubuntu, because of build system of AOSP. There are actually some real issues, which I was facing (find packages equivalent, change make version etc), but I resolved everything.

Yeah Google "suggests"... I built android on Void Linux just last month...

But for android framework developers Google suggests to use Ubuntu, because of build system of AOSP. There are actually some real issues, which I was facing (find packages equivalent, change make version etc), but I resolved everything.

Ugh...

Yes, but w/o the express settings tweak, it can spy on you and what not...

Yeah, and people don't care. From a certain point of view microsoft can see, read and delete any file you have on the computer if I'm not wrong

Yeah Google "suggests"... I built android on Void Linux just last month...

https://source.android.com/source/initializing

Google is a worthless piece of shit. It sponges off of Linux for its best selling software, but cant be buggered to give back a few measly packages...

Yeah, and people don't care. From a certain point of view microsoft can see, read and delete any file you have on the computer if I'm not wrong

Yup, their EULA is deliberately ambiguously worded...

We can't say "it have a lot of guides" if people don't even read eula

We can't say "it have a lot of guides" if people don't even read eula

Ubuntu unity had a EULA too, afaik...

But for android framework developers Google suggests to use Ubuntu, because of build system of AOSP. There are actually some real issues, which I was facing (find packages equivalent, change make version etc), but I resolved everything.

Rom development ? Ndk? Everything works and every package is available in the software repository. And why not it's AOSP after all.

I dunno how it was in the 7's, nowadays most distros work ootb on almost all hardware.

Nowaday yes

Rom development ? Ndk? Everything works and every package is available in the software repository. And why not it's AOSP after all.

Uhm.. I KNOW. I'm just saying about the colleagues. I've built it on Fedora and OpenSuSE, and I'm working always on fedora with Android OS.

Nowaday yes

Ubuntu has rested on its laurels too long, that's what made users withstand unity, but it's gone on too long.

What annoys me most is that there are more and more companies providing their software for linux but only as .deb download. In some rare cases also as .rpm. But they simply can't make it to host it in a useful way -> repository

Because they just do the same as with their Windows stuff, a package to install from a link.

They sold themselves to Amazon loong before that...

That's the reason I haven't used unity for a single time. ? Canonical included online search in unity desktop to earn some profit. But I haven't understood their deal with Microsoft .. soon after their deal and Microsoft's "Microsoft loves Linux" , Canonical abandoned their long running Mir and Ubuntu touch project.... And they even ditched unity desktop which is imo kind of fishy. Lol.

Ubuntu has rested on its laurels too long, that's what made users withstand unity, but it's gone on too long.

I don't think it's unity.... May be all the major open source projects use Ubuntu as their reference development environment...

What annoys me most is that there are more and more companies providing their software for linux but only as .deb download. In some rare cases also as .rpm. But they simply can't make it to host it in a useful way -> repository

Oracle gives only .rpm and sources of JDK :)

The point is that thanks to ubuntu now linux is used by three per cent of the computers (more or less) and until someone doesn't begane to work on the next move to increase the popularity of open software, we will remain a little community

That's the reason I haven't used unity for a single time. ? Canonical included online search in unity desktop to earn some profit. But I haven't understood their deal with Microsoft .. soon after their deal and Microsoft's "Microsoft loves Linux" , Canonical abandoned their long running Mir and Ubuntu touch project.... And they even ditched unity desktop which is imo kind of fishy. Lol.

I tell you, something is scaring me in this story

I like manjaro

Manjaro is good. But there are better distros, imho

Ubuntu has rested on its laurels too long, that's what made users withstand unity, but it's gone on too long.

Unity was try to lead something that users and devs disagree with because it was no customizable at all. This mistake is a lesson for ubuntu fedora and all others

Manjaro is good. But there are better distros, imho

I like it because it works very well out of the box

Even with nvidia proprietary drivers

Unity was try to lead something that users and devs disagree with because it was no customizable at all. This mistake is a lesson for ubuntu fedora and all others

How Fedora? Unity was unusable upstream as Canonical contributed nothing Unity upstream...

I tell you, something is scaring me in this story

Yup, there`s plenty scary...

Oracle gives only .rpm and sources of JDK :)

Oracle Linux is a fork of red hat I think..

How Fedora? Unity was unusable upstream as Canonical contributed nothing Unity upstream...

Tell me about fedora i dont use i just follow some news

My biggest fear? Windows that succed in close the linux community in a little space

(Tell me if I have wrote it wrong, I'm not sure)

Fedora Community on Telegram https://eischmann.wordpress.com/?pushpress=hub

This how i found you

Tell me about fedora i dont use i just follow some news

When Ubuntu made Unity, there were several devs eager to support it for their respective distros, ie Fedora and openSUSE. Ubuntu purposely designed it such that not only will Unity be unusable elsewhere, but it`ll break the native GNOME packages too....

I'm not fedora user but keep an eye on linux news

This how i found you

Many people came here in this way the last few days

When Ubuntu made Unity, there were several devs eager to support it for their respective distros, ie Fedora and openSUSE. Ubuntu purposely designed it such that not only will Unity be unusable elsewhere, but it`ll break the native GNOME packages too....

Yep they deceive userd when unity came with ubuntu 11.10 in place of gnome 2 by default and it was ugly and uncustomizable

The thing is, Cinnamon, another alternative shell for GNOME made by one full-time dev, Clementine Lefebvre, works with GNOME 100%, and can actually be installed alongside it...

The thing is, Cinnamon, another alternative shell for GNOME made by one full-time dev, Clementine Lefebvre, works with GNOME 100%, and can actually be installed alongside it...

The buggiest gnome shell fork

Better than unity though

The buggiest gnome shell fork

IDK, Unity was slow, and laggy too, when i used it....

Ubuntu is a good OS, but "Canonical is the 'Microsoft' of the Linux world" if that makes any sense. Debian and Centos are excellent OS, but the focus on stability makes them to be not very good as desktops daily drivers; they lack a lot of new software or features because of the slowlyness adopting stuff. Arch (and Gentoo) are great OS too, but you have to know what you are doing or be eager to learn. Fedora is the best of every world… stable enough to be a daily driver, with new soft and features, backed up by a mayor player in the Linux world, and with a very good community behind.

sorry for the wall of text :P

No, what you say makes utter and complete sense.

*and easy to use and maintain, with everything working out of the box

Ubuntu is a good OS, but "Canonical is the 'Microsoft' of the Linux world" if that makes any sense. Debian and Centos are excellent OS, but the focus on stability makes them to be not very good as desktops daily drivers; they lack a lot of new software or features because of the slowlyness adopting stuff. Arch (and Gentoo) are great OS too, but you have to know what you are doing or be eager to learn. Fedora is the best of every world… stable enough to be a daily driver, with new soft and features, backed up by a mayor player in the Linux world, and with a very good community behind.

Fedora ... Stability can be better. And dnf can be a lot better.

I believe we are behind in documentation, tho. We should try to improve in that aspect.

arch and gentoo docs and wikis should be rebranded as 'Linux Wiki' directly :P we can learn from them

Renault : Bilan mensuel de la documentation francophone de Fedora-fr.org, numéro 1 https://blog.fedora-fr.org/renault/post/Bilan-mensuel-de-la-documentation-francophone-de-Fedora-fr.org%2C-num%C3%A9ro-1

If you read french

He is working on the french doc and try to actualise it

Gnome shell usage keeps on increasing.. isn't the GC enabled?

Fedora ... Stability can be better. And dnf can be a lot better.

How? Dnf is better than apt (-get), from my experience.

How? Dnf is better than apt (-get), from my experience.

apt was worse. now is better. But dnf is not that good in my opinion. Ive used apk, Pacman, pisi.

apt was worse. now is better. But dnf is not that good in my opinion. Ive used apk, Pacman, pisi.

Specifics.

In downloading drpms is good. But when resolving for dependancies... Man it is very bad. And updating repos.

Is their a fedora magazine or something else ?

Apt is even worse in organising packages in repos in the backend.

I was on manjaro and packages management is hard.

DNF is the youngest packages manager. No ?

In downloading drpms is good. But when resolving for dependancies... Man it is very bad. And updating repos.

I've had no probs with dnf so far, only thing I had to do was use repos (copr or upstream), unlike the Ubuntu way which used Deb files usually.

Also, if it solves the package manager conundrum, try adding the Pantheon desktop repo, to each distro.......

Debian is difficult, and have only free software. Is not intuitive for users that not comprehend a lot

Only free software? I don't think so. There are non-free repositories too.

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About the difficulty to install or use... I found certain things during installation easier on Debian than on Fedora. The use it's the same. There are more differences between desktops than between systems.

I tried some time ago debian, with poor success. It's a point if view on the preinstalled software. And the age of it. For examples, thunderbird on debian 8 doesn't work with google accounts

I've had no probs with dnf so far, only thing I had to do was use repos (copr or upstream), unlike the Ubuntu way which used Deb files usually.

I had one, but to be fair, it was 80% stupidity and 20% dnf going wtf. I wanted to remove lxc and it removed a lot of packages (including networkmanager). Since it was the holidays and fedora was so stable, I wanted an excuse to try other distros so I went ahead and did the transaction x). It also happened once on Debian, with an apt autoremove

I had one, but to be fair, it was 80% stupidity and 20% dnf going wtf. I wanted to remove lxc and it removed a lot of packages (including networkmanager). Since it was the holidays and fedora was so stable, I wanted an excuse to try other distros so I went ahead and did the transaction x). It also happened once on Debian, with an apt autoremove

I think some dependencies are totally stupid. That's why i hope in flatpak

But yeah, after that, I tried manjaro. pacman was really fast, but I still wiped it because I didn't feel safe on an arch-based rolling release distro. After that I tried openSUSE and I hated it.

Back on fedora and everything works like it should :D

I think some dependencies are totally stupid. That's why i hope in flatpak

100 mb file manager apps, sure...

Manjaro is safe, believe me ;)

I hate OpenSuse too, Jimmy

Doesn't read epub and mobi, unfortunately. ?

hmm

I hate OpenSuse too, Jimmy

why

I hate OpenSuse too, Jimmy

Meh, I like that openSUSE provides the latest and greatest, and the rpms it hosts for most programs....

100 mb file manager apps, sure...

Better than have tons of packages all around with useless (sometimes) dependencies. I made this though when i was on ubuntu, i installed fedora alongside manjaro just some time ago

But yeah, after that, I tried manjaro. pacman was really fast, but I still wiped it because I didn't feel safe on an arch-based rolling release distro. After that I tried openSUSE and I hated it.

What do you mean with not feeling safe? Arch isn't going to bite or steal your wallet.

why

I had so many problems using it. H264 didn't work on firefox, virtualbox didn't want to launch, OBS didn't even work on Leap, and about 70% of the time on Tumbleweed...

But yeah, after that, I tried manjaro. pacman was really fast, but I still wiped it because I didn't feel safe on an arch-based rolling release distro. After that I tried openSUSE and I hated it.

Arch updates are safe usually, and manjaro do extra controls to them

But they really did a good job with the btrfs integration

https://code.headmelted.com/#platforms

If you want to try another de, or do something that might break your system, you just do a snapper snapshot and whenever you're finished, you go in the grub to restore the snapshot

I see a lot of people that seems to refuse the possibility to learn

The kind of people who will cry bitter tears because Windows moved icons from one side to another.

Who use xfce with fedora ?

Who use xfce with fedora ?

+1

Who use xfce with fedora ?

Debian is lighter than Fedora, on XFCE for some reason, so when I want lightweight stuff, I use XFCE+ debian. Fedora XFCE for me has no use case...

I moved to xfce after half an year of naked terminal + OpenBox wm)

Who use xfce with fedora ?

As a backup, in case i3 doesn't work well for what I'm doing

I use xubuntu and the system use 500mb on boot

I use xubuntu and the system use 500mb on boot

Ugh, Ubuntu.

I moved to xfce after half an year of naked terminal + OpenBox wm)

What is nakef terminal ? With tty ?

What is nakef terminal ? With tty ?

without any of desktop environments

Debian is lighter than Fedora, on XFCE for some reason, so when I want lightweight stuff, I use XFCE+ debian. Fedora XFCE for me has no use case...

Why ?

I dunno how it was in the 7's, nowadays most distros work ootb on almost all hardware.

Yes, back in the moment they were very different. And some of them would give you nightmares trying to install .