Oh, I see. I'm out of luck then.

Good morning Fedora people

This is lovely

> Balaclava looks like a true hacker's hat, like on stock photos

> Balaclava looks like a true hacker's hat, like on stock photos

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My favorite writer on quora wears a fedora too :)

Does he writes somewhere else? I haven't Quora.

i don't think so, Quora is the best place to get answers about general stuff

Does he writes somewhere else? I haven't Quora.

It`s a website, you could browse sans login...

Oh, good

Hello @mahmoud_elswerky ! Welcome to the group!

Hello @mahmoud_elswerky ! Welcome to the group!

thanks first time to be welcomed by a person not a bot ?

Yeah, but my phone thought I'm actually a bot and didn't let me send the message

I had to write it on my computer ?

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thanks first time to be welcomed by a person not a bot ?

Hello Abu humeeed :)

Hello Abu humeeed :)

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Hello Abu humeeed :)

Do i know you?? Do you know me?? What do you mean by abu humeed?

Do i know you?? Do you know me?? What do you mean by abu humeed?

kinda it's abbrivation for the name mahmoud/ahmad/muhammad in arabic

kinda it's abbrivation for the name mahmoud/ahmad/muhammad in arabic

?? Ohh,if then ok Just my name is mahmoud abd elhameed elswerky so i thought you mean abd elhameed and you know me Any way thanks for the welcoming?

?? Ohh,if then ok Just my name is mahmoud abd elhameed elswerky so i thought you mean abd elhameed and you know me Any way thanks for the welcoming?

you're welcome bro ?

.-. Looks like people want me to leave fedora :D I talked to a lot of people and always "Why aren't you using Distro XY?" And even when I question things like distrochooser there are many distros that are higher ranked. ... All in all, I like fedora, it simply works and is stable which is the main reason for me to use it .-. So people will still try to tell me that Gentoo or Arch would fit my "skill set" so much better but I will resist ^^

Gentoo will burn your CPU

Arch will keep you busy as if you had children

So if you happen to have real ones, discard arch

.-. Looks like people want me to leave fedora :D I talked to a lot of people and always "Why aren't you using Distro XY?" And even when I question things like distrochooser there are many distros that are higher ranked. ... All in all, I like fedora, it simply works and is stable which is the main reason for me to use it .-. So people will still try to tell me that Gentoo or Arch would fit my "skill set" so much better but I will resist ^^

Give this guy a medal...

Gentoo will burn your CPU

Best thing you can do, when someone installs Gentoo by ssh while he's out of office: place an unpacked bar of chocolate on his notebook's keyboard :D

.-. Looks like people want me to leave fedora :D I talked to a lot of people and always "Why aren't you using Distro XY?" And even when I question things like distrochooser there are many distros that are higher ranked. ... All in all, I like fedora, it simply works and is stable which is the main reason for me to use it .-. So people will still try to tell me that Gentoo or Arch would fit my "skill set" so much better but I will resist ^^

Can understand: all my colleagues use Ubuntu at work, because it's suggested by google for android development and they are used to it (moslty they use Win at home). Every time, every man (except of one arch-guy) is trying to say me: "Stop using fedora, it causes issues for you, use ubuntu, everything is better here" (and lots of other stuff). And guess who is always helping them when the people chash their Ubuntu's?)

Can understand: all my colleagues use Ubuntu at work, because it's suggested by google for android development and they are used to it (moslty they use Win at home). Every time, every man (except of one arch-guy) is trying to say me: "Stop using fedora, it causes issues for you, use ubuntu, everything is better here" (and lots of other stuff). And guess who is always helping them when the people chash their Ubuntu's?)

?? I know that feeling :D Keep up!

Fedora resistance! ☝️We will survive.

Can understand: all my colleagues use Ubuntu at work, because it's suggested by google for android development and they are used to it (moslty they use Win at home). Every time, every man (except of one arch-guy) is trying to say me: "Stop using fedora, it causes issues for you, use ubuntu, everything is better here" (and lots of other stuff). And guess who is always helping them when the people chash their Ubuntu's?)

???? If he`s recommending Ubuntu, he`s probably a newb, and not that bright #nooffense...

???? If he`s recommending Ubuntu, he`s probably a newb, and not that bright #nooffense...

I've fixed a message: google is suggesting it, didn't mentioned it in a first message's version. But yes, they mostly are (and they don't even hide)

Fedora resistance! ☝️We will survive.

We have and we will, esp bcoz millionaires don`t try to impose their 'ideas' on us...

I've fixed a message: google is suggesting it, didn't mentioned it in a first message's version. But yes, they mostly are (and they don't even hide)

Most companies incldng GGL assume Linux = Ubuntu, don`t know why that happened...

What annoys me most is that there are more and more companies providing their software for linux but only as .deb download. In some rare cases also as .rpm. But they simply can't make it to host it in a useful way -> repository

Fedora is lab for rhel. No ? Redhat is the biggest open source company by millions dollars. We all depend on them even this is free software. Canonical help millions of noob like me free their informatics by pushing ubuntu and become power user and perhaps fedora user.

Arch will keep you busy as if you had children

What? I`m installed arch on my laptop, three years ago, it takes 3 hours for install and customizing. And all. No any problems, just updates one time by month. That`s all. Well, I have other computers, servers and a few jobs. But what about ANY distro is need to be time-spending is lie.

Fedora is lab for rhel. No ? Redhat is the biggest open source company by millions dollars. We all depend on them even this is free software. Canonical help millions of noob like me free their informatics by pushing ubuntu and become power user and perhaps fedora user.

Agree

Fedora is lab for rhel. No ? Redhat is the biggest open source company by millions dollars. We all depend on them even this is free software. Canonical help millions of noob like me free their informatics by pushing ubuntu and become power user and perhaps fedora user.

Yes, but rh don't enforce their ideas on the community focused distro or force the distro to follow a particular path, ie unity and the fiasco with Jonathan riddell

Yes, but rh don't enforce their ideas on the community focused distro or force the distro to follow a particular path, ie unity and the fiasco with Jonathan riddell

Agree.

Agree.

Ubuntu mooches a lot of stuff from others and doesn't give back enough upstream...

Ubuntu mooches a lot of stuff from others and doesn't give back enough upstream...

But ubuntu provides a lot of Q&A for non-tech users easily accessible by the search engine of your trust

yes, in most cases searching for the error message would be enough but for some reason people don't do this .-.

Ubuntu mooches a lot of stuff from others and doesn't give back enough upstream...

Ubuntu community is great, but I don't know why I dislike Cannonical, the company that sponsor Ubuntu.

.-. Looks like people want me to leave fedora :D I talked to a lot of people and always "Why aren't you using Distro XY?" And even when I question things like distrochooser there are many distros that are higher ranked. ... All in all, I like fedora, it simply works and is stable which is the main reason for me to use it .-. So people will still try to tell me that Gentoo or Arch would fit my "skill set" so much better but I will resist ^^

This happens to me sometimes

yes, in most cases searching for the error message would be enough but for some reason people don't do this .-.

Fedora has almost everything to support beginners; mostly all in one place the forums or the magazine, not random blogs from the internet...

Ubuntu community is great, but I don't know why I dislike Cannonical, the company that sponsor Ubuntu.

Maybe it's because canonical = mark shuttleworth?

I like manjaro

Fedora resistance! ☝️We will survive.

Yeah!!!

Fedora has almost everything to support beginners; mostly all in one place the forums or the magazine, not random blogs from the internet...

I know but when I check the regular search results by the "regular" search engines (Google, DDG, "Bing", ...) It's more common to find something for Ubuntu than for fedora .-.

I know but when I check the regular search results by the "regular" search engines (Google, DDG, "Bing", ...) It's more common to find something for Ubuntu than for fedora .-.

You don't know how reputable the source is, what version it's based on, and if it'll work on your hardware... Forums are better for troubleshooting, imho

It's not problem to transfer this knowledge to fedora but in most cases (for example when you miss a dependency) you get apt-get install xy answers :D

I don't google stuff except when I know for sure that what I need it's not available in repos.

I don't google stuff except when I know for sure that what I need it's not available in repos.

This.

Yes, but rh don't enforce their ideas on the community focused distro or force the distro to follow a particular path, ie unity and the fiasco with Jonathan riddell

Yes but consequences kubuntu is shit, unity is dead free software is safe. Millionaire freed my desktop in a period were there was no solid alternative never forget that that some of his ideas give birth the most noob friendly distro

It's not problem to transfer this knowledge to fedora but in most cases (for example when you miss a dependency) you get apt-get install xy answers :D

Dnf usually tells you how to fix dependency errors while installing or removing programs...

@brajiraofthemessiah Not for self-compiled software :D

Yes but consequences kubuntu is shit, unity is dead free software is safe. Millionaire freed my desktop in a period were there was no solid alternative never forget that that some of his ideas give birth the most noob friendly distro

Most noob friendly distro? Do you have any statistics to back that claim up?

If I'm not mistaken, ubuntu is the most used distro in the world. That's why on steam they suggest ubuntu versions, a lot of sites propose .deb packages and so on

@brajiraofthemessiah Not for self-compiled software :D

Why would you compile stuff already in the repos?

Because there isn't everything in the repos and I'm a developer ^^

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Thanks to ubuntu now gnu/linux is used on at least one per cent of the computers

If I'm not mistaken, ubuntu is the most used distro in the world. That's why on steam they suggest ubuntu versions, a lot of sites propose .deb packages and so on

Most of that crap is companies just ignoring other Linux distros and only providing packages for Ubuntu... That is not dissimilar to the windows software availability conundrum.

Thanks to ubuntu now gnu/linux is used on at least one per cent of the computers

Only Ubuntu?

Thanks to ubuntu now gnu/linux is used on at least one per cent of the computers

I would thank debian rather.

More or less, yeah

Because there isn't everything in the repos and I'm a developer ^^

A dev must know how to do that w/o relying on Google search...

I would thank debian rather.

Yup.

And according to me cent os is lot better than debian in case of stability

I would thank debian rather.

+1, Ubuntu is just debian with poor repos...

Debian is difficult, and have only free software. Is not intuitive for users that not comprehend a lot

Debian is difficult, and have only free software. Is not intuitive for users that not comprehend a lot

Not really. There are how tos and guides provided, and a lot of free ebooks covering debian and usage in its entirety.

Not really. There are how tos and guides provided, and a lot of free ebooks covering debian and usage in its entirety.

Yeah... And ubuntu's wiki sucks.... (Waaay to much)

Not really. There are how tos and guides provided, and a lot of free ebooks covering debian and usage in its entirety.

I'm talking about people that buy computers just for the numbers after the i (intel)

Yeah... And ubuntu's wiki sucks.... (Waaay to much)

It's outdated, mostly

People that don't want to know why and how it works

It's outdated, mostly

I hate ubuntu wiki for this motivation

People that don't want to know why and how it works

They still have to install stuff on Ubuntu, they might atleast learn the right way to do things.

Even on windows, you have to learn some stuff...

A dev must know how to do that w/o relying on Google search...

Well, for me it's sometimes helpful when I search for a missing .h file to throw the error message into the search engine of my trust and get what I need as result to install it. and yes, I transfer the needed knowledge. No problem.

I see a lot of people that seems to refuse the possibility to learn

Well, for me it's sometimes helpful when I search for a missing .h file to throw the error message into the search engine of my trust and get what I need as result to install it. and yes, I transfer the needed knowledge. No problem.

The error msg will usually be in the git you compile, wouldn't it? Or dnf will bring up the error and how to correct it?

I see a lot of people that seems to refuse the possibility to learn

Ubuntu enforces a state of laziness, that's not a good thing...

And if we continue to think and say that linux is for advanced users, that % will never grow

I see a lot of people that seems to refuse the possibility to learn

I agree that people don't want to be in that learning curve., But ubuntu's is more curvier than windows?

Most noob friendly distro? Do you have any statistics to back that claim up?

Yeah guy back in 2004-6-7-8 easiest way to get linux on computer was ubuntu. Then other distribution follow that path with their own way to bring more linux to computers

I agree that people don't want to be in that learning curve., But ubuntu's is more curvier than windows?

That's why windows is used by almost all the computers

And if we continue to think and say that linux is for advanced users, that % will never grow

That's not what I said; there is a learning curve to every OS.

The error msg will usually be in the git you compile, wouldn't it? Or dnf will bring up the error and how to correct it?

It depends, it can also be thrown by CPAN or npm or pip or ... There are many possiblities.

That's not what I said; there is a learning curve to every OS.

I was continuing a though :)

Yeah guy back in 2004-6-7-8 easiest way to get linux on computer was ubuntu. Then other distribution follow that path with their own way to bring more linux to computers

I dunno how it was in the 7's, nowadays most distros work ootb on almost all hardware.

Another thing people don't like Ubuntu... "Hey that's a nice software... What only .Deb's are available? Screw that and I hate Ubuntu" ? (atleast my feeling)

That's not what I said; there is a learning curve to every OS.

On Windows you don't even need to touch anything if you use to surf internet