@alexaralvarado, @artoyma, @functionalalcoholic: welcome. :)

@alexaralvarado, @artoyma, @functionalalcoholic: welcome. :)

Thanks

hello

hi

i'm from uzbekistan

i'm from uzbekistan

Neighbour!

i have problem install yumex

i can't install yumex

letsbi friends?

Mustafo M

Mustafo M

okay

are you arabic

what is your name

abadi

are you arabic

good

where are you from

abadi

pleased to meet you

where are you from

He's from Uzbekistan. :)

He said that a little earlier.

from uzbekistan

He said that a little earlier.

And what's your name ?

how you from uzbekistan and your name same arabic

Write to me in PM please

ok

how you from uzbekistan and your name same arabic

Merging of populations during USSR time.

And merging of populations in general.

Hello

i can't install yumex

It should be yumex-dnf

Welcome back. :)

i can't install yumex

u do NOT need it, just look for your app package's name and use the terminal.

u do NOT need it, just look for your app package's name and use the terminal.

Some people prefer to use GUI more than to use CLI.

He might not need it, yet he want it. :)

It's wiser to give the beginners what they need, not what they want

Linux and GUI = false friends

but if you force many of them to use the CLI instead of GUI, they will leave... ;) I prefer CLI as well, but let's be honest, GUI is more friendly for first-time user most of the time

Linux and GUI = false friends

Do you only use CLI?

Find your desktop's package manager in your start menu and search for package name then click install on the right package. Much more typing.

And now using Finch or telegram-cli for Telegram?

apt install package

Much easier.

Find your desktop's package manager in your start menu and search for package name then click install on the right package. Much more typing.

yeah, but easier to discover for first time user. I use CLI for installation/update as well, but I get why people may not want it

Much easier.

At first, you do: apt search package_name and then scroll through a possibly long list to copy a name of package and then you do apt install package_name

at first, you have to know what to type

CLI knowledge in Linux is highly encouraged, but enforsing it would make it less nice for people who migrate from Windows to use.

There's a valid reason why folk prefer it though, especially when helping others. It gets the job done more quickly and certain.

I don't see why someone shouldn't use GUI for package manager if they want to.

Usually if the fix for a problem takes too much time or effort, a newbie will give up easily. The faster and surely the problem can go away the better for everyone.

if to install an application, something that takes drag and drop on mac, double click on windows, user needs to learn obscure commands and enter them in unappealing black box, then they will give up instantly

imagine you don't have play market on android, but need to do that on a command line on a phone. More efficient, that's for sure

Sorry, this is Fedora. rpm install?

dnf install

now tell me, how user is supposed to guess it without reading documentation

don't forget sudo

dnf install

Right on. Been a minute since I've used Fedora.

Hence why Fedora Workstation has Gnome Software Center.

and on Ubuntu it's apt-get

do she or he needs to check which distro is installed first

GUI and CLI have different user base, and all have its reasons

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When getting help on chat, it's just easier to get'em to open a shell and do a bit of copy/paste for many simple issues, and magically the problem they face vanishes.

so if they don't have gimp but would like to install it, they would have to find a support chat, ask there, copy and paste some stuff they have no idea what it does and hope for the best?

repeat next time they need some app, since they won't remember it

Or for family or friends, walk them through the GUI package manager once to install ssh server. ?

that's why it's needed to have CLI, but omitting GUI is not wise

Nah. I always make newbies fully aware there's a GUI package manager and that normally they should look there first.

But for fast help with a simple problem I tend to offer copy/paste answers with an explanation of the command.

Drivers and such especially.

that's also what I do

Most newbies don't fear the command line as much as many folk seem to think. They just prefer the GUI for most things most of the time. If a fix for an issue they face involves one copy/paste to make a glitch go away, they're most of 'em down for that. Some of them even want to understand the command. ?

What scares them bad is when something breaks the GUI and they're forced to the command line. ?

true dat

I spent two weeks stuck at a bash shell one time when mandrake/mandriva broke x.org

Did that by choice though to learn what Linux shell had to offer. Learned a lot.

Found out about fbdev and links and irc from shell

Fun stuff

Vlc and mplayer both support fbdev

I remember when Arch broke input devices for me on one update

that taught me a valuable lesson about rolling releases

Most newbies don't fear the command line as much as many folk seem to think. They just prefer the GUI for most things most of the time. If a fix for an issue they face involves one copy/paste to make a glitch go away, they're most of 'em down for that. Some of them even want to understand the command. ?

I am just speaking from my experience.

People I put on Linux here are absolutely afraid of CLI.

Sure do learn a lot when ya break stuff and force yourself to fix it though

also, I don't see my mother using a CLI anytime

gui stuff, browser - sure

there are newbies and newbies

For my mum I just had her install ssh and helped her via tunneled vnc.

Once she started knowing where to look for stuff she taught herself a lot more than I expected she would.

Once she started knowing where to look for stuff she taught herself a lot more than I expected she would.

Awesome