openSUSE is one of the worst Linux based systems out there and I never got why their desktop OS is popular, My best experience was always with Fedora GNOME 2/3 followed by Debian 8 with KDE SC 4

Why? Just curiosity

Why? Just curiosity

IMO when it comes to post installation operations it is so unfriendly to use and manage compared to Fedora and Debian, I’m talking from handling repos to installing/deinstalling software, the dependencies entanglement, the way software packed into bundles and also the out of the box GNOME/KDE experience is so degraded compared to Fedora’s GNOME and Debian’s KDE

Why? Just curiosity

Also I never got along with the openSUSE specific tools

Why? Just curiosity

openSUSE is generally high maintenance compared to Fedora or Debian

IMO when it comes to post installation operations it is so unfriendly to use and manage compared to Fedora and Debian, I’m talking from handling repos to installing/deinstalling software, the dependencies entanglement, the way software packed into bundles and also the out of the box GNOME/KDE experience is so degraded compared to Fedora’s GNOME and Debian’s KDE

https://geckolinux.github.io/ For the same reasons i just tried that

Hello, Group!

Hello, Group!

Welcome aboard.

Hello, Group!

Hello!

https://geckolinux.github.io/ For the same reasons i just tried that

I know about Geko but never tried it and will never do since i am a DE oriented user and when I say DE I mean KDE/GNOME and none else and as far as I am concerned the best KDE is KDE SC 4.14 so far and the go to system for that is Debian 8 KDE as for GNOME the go to system for that is Fedora which is my kind of a thing

Well, there is a bit of something for everybody, i tried Gecko and for a new user, it´s ok

A sort of Korora, but for Opensuse

A sort of Korora, but for Opensuse

Yeah, yeah i know. Exactly.

IMO when it comes to post installation operations it is so unfriendly to use and manage compared to Fedora and Debian, I’m talking from handling repos to installing/deinstalling software, the dependencies entanglement, the way software packed into bundles and also the out of the box GNOME/KDE experience is so degraded compared to Fedora’s GNOME and Debian’s KDE

Thanks for reply

I never understood why these "distributions" like Gecko, Mint or Korora are so popular, those are just base distros + sometimes custom skin + sometimes useful configuration, sometimes worthless (Korora: default timezone is Australia/Sydney, yeah SO USEFUL, also abrt disabled, just in case it would be actually useful to Fedora maintainers by accident)

I never understood why these "distributions" like Gecko, Mint or Korora are so popular, those are just base distros + sometimes custom skin + sometimes useful configuration, sometimes worthless (Korora: default timezone is Australia/Sydney, yeah SO USEFUL, also abrt disabled, just in case it would be actually useful to Fedora maintainers by accident)

Exactly because they are base distro + skin + preconfig.

Set up and use.

Everything works out of the box and as easy to tune as parent distro.

Everything works out of the box and as easy to tune as parent distro.

And after a while you've got an outdated distro with outdated packages, as maintainers don't bother to switch to new upstream release; I've used crunchbang for some time and had the exact same problem :P

And after a while you've got an outdated distro with outdated packages, as maintainers don't bother to switch to new upstream release; I've used crunchbang for some time and had the exact same problem :P

Think like an end user.

End user granny Smith.

or they patch some packages so they look nicer, but don't update them as fast as upstream, and after an update everything breaks

Granny Smith doesn't care about outdated packages if everything works.

End user granny Smith.

Granny Smith will probably use Ubuntu, as it's the most known, and - suprise - it also just works

same as Fedora, by the way

not mentioning the lack of closed source drivers and patented codecs, but that's an ideological issue

Granny Smith will probably use Ubuntu, as it's the most known, and - suprise - it also just works

Mint looks more convenient (easier to convert from Windows experience).

So do Xubuntu and stuff, but Mint is nicely preset.

The only reason for that is that Mint uses Cinnamon (or what was it) by default, but for an end user it doesn't differ much from Xubuntu

Granny Smith doesn't care about outdated packages if everything works.

but joe non-technical will want to know why his spotify doesn't work anymore

or why he doesn't have the cool new feature google put in chrome

I don't use Spotify, so, idk about it.

or why after update nautils looks like crap (as the distro-shipped patched one isn't compatible with new upstream minor release of GTK)

But I don't think that it should stop working because old package.

or why after update nautils looks like crap (as the distro-shipped patched one isn't compatible with new upstream minor release of GTK)

I thought they used Nemo.

I thought they used Nemo.

Whatever; I know some of those distros patched some apps to make them work with their custom themes

what is a dumb idea IMHO

...at least it was so some time ago, as now a quick google search doesn;t find much

I prefer that in my house my wife and daughter use any sort of distro, than Windows 10.

That testing has weeks of been freeze, you are no leaving the real experience ?

What would you recomend me to live the real experience? ?

What would you recomend me to live the real experience? ?

Wait for the next release after that switch to the next testing.

I don't think this is appropriate for this group, is out of the topic

I don't think this is appropriate for this group, is out of the topic

+1

Do you know a online text editor wich colaborator ?

Hi guys

Hi

Do you know a online text editor wich colaborator ?

Any Etherpad instance (piratepad?)

Any Etherpad instance (piratepad?)

What is link ?

What is link ?

https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/wiki/Sites-that-run-Etherpad-Lite

any of those, basically (no idea which ones are secure etc.)

Any Etherpad instance (piratepad?)

I want a private pad

then I guess self-hosting is the best idea

depends on how "private" you need it

depends on how "private" you need it

private, only my collab can view

if it's "I would store it on Dropbox and if someone sees it, then tough luck" then any of those will be okay, if it's "I'm going to store my bank account details there" secure, then I would host it myself

I'm confuse

what's confusing about it

are you going to store top secret, sensitive information there?

ERROR: S client not available

are you going to store top secret, sensitive information there?

Not, I'ts only a simple project

Then https://pad.riseup.net/ ?

I don't think this is appropriate for this group, is out of the topic

It's not only offtopic but nasty. And probably fake also. Anyway, I just kicked him and deleted the stuff.

Then https://pad.riseup.net/ ?

:)

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@gwindor Translation, please?

pionen: @russianfedora :)

Stopi it!

Once is enough

I don't even know what the message says....

It´s spam...

Ah, okay.

about a bot for telegram

the spam count keep growing each day ?

the spam count keep growing each day ?

Yep.

Today banned 12 spammers in our groups.

Yeah, I noticed.... Just two or three here...

Somebody use linux mint cinnamon?

I use Cinnamon but on Debiam. Why?

Nothing

okay

I use Cinnamon but on Debiam. Why?

Use Cinnamon on Debian too.

Somebody use linux mint cinnamon?

Cinnamon con fedora 25 rocks

Cinnamon con fedora 25 rocks

English please.

Hello @gahazi welcome!

Hi

Anyone try i3-gaps wm in fedora!

Anyone try i3-gaps wm in fedora!

You just need to install i3wm on Fedora, later git clone the source code from it official repo and compile it. It is easy. Not sure if there is a copr repo for it.