...and welcome to the blue side of the moon :)

But moon is greyish

My life is a lie.

This is my first venture away from Ubuntu tbh

That's a good thing, bro!!

This is my first venture away from Ubuntu tbh

You'll be distro hopping in no time, that's what I do and find it fun from time to time :D

What is everyone's number one draw to Fedora?

Hello. I'd like some help. I have a 40gb partition and I want to install Fedora, what is the ideal size to leave in /, / boot, / home and swap? Thanks for the answer!

What is everyone's number one draw to Fedora?

In my case, the reason was, I found it more stable and easier than Ubuntu 17.10 , the OS I was using before this, also Fedora 27 was the first Linux OS that I started to use as my primary OS.

But moon is greyish

POV :)

Hello. I'd like some help. I have a 40gb partition and I want to install Fedora, what is the ideal size to leave in /, / boot, / home and swap? Thanks for the answer!

Perform a default installation, or better, don't make a home partition. Give the maximum space to /. An equivalent amount to your RAM to /swap and for boot, is 1GiB too much?

What is everyone's number one draw to Fedora?

I can count on it, for me it hits the sweet spot between being up-to-date and stable enough that I can depend on using it at work

Perform a default installation, or better, don't make a home partition. Give the maximum space to /. An equivalent amount to your RAM to /swap and for boot, is 1GiB too much?

Is there ever such thing as too much swap? Serious question.

I can count on it, for me it hits the sweet spot between being up-to-date and stable enough that I can depend on using it at work

That's two for stability.

Perform a default installation, or better, don't make a home partition. Give the maximum space to /. An equivalent amount to your RAM to /swap and for boot, is 1GiB too much?

Thank you

Is there ever such thing as too much swap? Serious question.

Having more swap than your entire memory size (hibernation) + some leftover in case you run into it and your system has to swap.

I can count on it, for me it hits the sweet spot between being up-to-date and stable enough that I can depend on using it at work

+1.

That's two for stability.

Awesome community, stable, best in class patch speed and testing and and and.

What is everyone's number one draw to Fedora?

My draws are the Four Foundations. Freedom, Friends, Features, First.

They explain why I use Fedora better than I could explain in a paragraph

And the community is awesome

Having more swap than your entire memory size (hibernation) + some leftover in case you run into it and your system has to swap.

So always best to mirror the physical ram size plus some extra?

Absolutely.

And the community is awesome

And this is why I've been a contributor for three or four years now

So always best to mirror the physical ram size plus some extra?

Yeah.

And the community is awesome

I can see that already.

And the community is awesome

+198,000

So always best to mirror the physical ram size plus some extra?

If you dont want hibernation and have 16gb+ of ram you'll be unlikely to need it.

And you can always add a swap file in emergencies.

And you can always add a swap file in emergencies.

Is a swap partition faster than a swap file?

If you dont want hibernation and have 16gb+ of ram you'll be unlikely to need it.

I set 4GB SWAP and have 8GB RAM on my laptop.. are you implying it'll not hibernate?

I set 4GB SWAP and have 8GB RAM on my laptop.. are you implying it'll not hibernate?

If your RAM is used more than 4GB, it's not possible right? If the memory usage is less than 4GB, the hibernation should happen.

If your RAM is used more than 4GB, it's not possible right? If the memory usage is less than 4GB, the hibernation should happen.

What's does it do in that case?

What's does it do in that case?

Dunno.

Sleep?

I don't have any experience in that

Is a swap partition faster than a swap file?

Yes.

Normally on Ubuntu my usage is ~3 GB, I guess.. any way to extend the swap I set?

Normally on Ubuntu my usage is ~3 GB, I guess.. any way to extend the swap I set?

swapfile or moving partitions. But for proper hibernation just moving partitions. Given that you only found out now its not like you really need it anyway. :P

Where is the community most active? Is there a slack or forum where most of the chatter happens?

What's does it do in that case?

Crash/Sleep/Not hibernating?

Where is the community most active? Is there a slack or forum where most of the chatter happens?

Telegram, Irc and more.

There are even some matrix channels.

swapfile or moving partitions. But for proper hibernation just moving partitions. Given that you only found out now its not like you really need it anyway. :P

I'm currently sitting at 1.5GB with Firefox and Chrome running, swap is not being used.. let me open up my IDEs

I'm currently sitting at 1.5GB with Firefox and Chrome running, swap is not being used.. let me open up my IDEs

What's your DE?

What's your DE?

Gnome

Two IDEs open, chome + Firefox and I'm at 3.2, no swap

OS?

Fedora workstation?

OS?

Ubuntu 18.04

Well it's good. Your memory consumption.

I have tried and found Ubuntu works best on this laptop due to the prime select, 1050Ti, RTL8822BE etc

Fedora needs a compile of wifi drivers and even after I do, it tends to disconnect randomly

What are the IDEs that are open?

Also, Would like to know the memory consumption of your gnome-shell at the moment

And graphics I imagine is fine but I had trouble with them in last installation of Ubuntu, this one on SSD is perfect

What are the IDEs that are open?

cLion and webStorm

Also, Would like to know the memory consumption of your gnome-shell at the moment

I know, gnome shell is terrible at memory management, it's a hogger. But I haven't really been able to use a different DE with Linux, ever

I don't spend a lot of time customizing experience

Can you tell how much memory your shell consumes at the moment?

And have you changed the swappiness value? Because no swap even when the memory consumption is 3.2GB is well, unlikely to happen in my experience

Because I have set my swappiness to 1 , and I have 1.7GiB memory usage and 2.8 MiB swap usage at the moment.

Can you tell how much memory your shell consumes at the moment?

140MB

Somehow

140MB

Gees. Thats super low for Gnome.

?

And have you changed the swappiness value? Because no swap even when the memory consumption is 3.2GB is well, unlikely to happen in my experience

No I haven't changed that, how do I check it?

Gees. Thats super low for Gnome.

IKR

And I just fired up pyCharm

Gees. Thats super low for Gnome.

No thats pretty default for RSS memory use.

Even my Plasma-shell is 121 at the moment

5.2GB RAM, I don't ever open all at some time so I think I'll be fine

However gnome has a ton of other tools running like all gsd-* services, tracker-miner and co.

No thats pretty default for RSS memory use.

When I had F27 workstation, I had a shell usage around 500 idle I remember.

These are what drives up shared and real memory usage.

When I had F27 workstation, I had a shell usage around 500 idle I remember.

Rss, Actual (Rss+shared), virt?

Rss, Actual (Rss+shared), virt?

AMmm, just what's mentioned in the utility as Gnome-shell

5.2GB RAM, I don't ever open all at some time so I think I'll be fine

Oh you have 8GB Memory. That makes sense. No swapping at 3.2 is just about right.

You don't carry it with you, you let it on your desk and plug everything directly to it: External extra monitors, headset, mouse, keyboard, externall HDD, so when you have to leave the office just unplug your ThinkPad from the dock station :3 Dock stations aren't heavy.

Oh! Okay. Now it makes more sense. Particularly in an office. I wouldn't have one myself, but it would be handy not to switch to the office computer but rather use mine. Well, depends on the job. But yeah, I see what's its use. Thanks.

Or buy a laptop that can do both :p

Accidentally my two laptops have a docking port, but I wasn't looking for it, it just came included. Like a complimentary thing.

Does Fedora KDE update automatically? I didn't change anything but mine doesn't update automatically.

There's an annoying applet but it doesn't actually update, it checks and downloads and then asks. But my concern is not the updates themselves but the data spent because, as I said, I moved to a different flat and here I have a super limited connection that I have to share with others, so I'm kinda paranoid about the usage.

Trying to get Telegram working on Fedora 26 in Qubes. The copr repo seems to have been discontinued. Any resources anyone can share to help me would be much appreciated.

Fedora 26 is not supported, you should upgrade your system at least to Fedora 27. Fedora 28 is the last stable version, but in a week or so, it will be Fedora 29.

Always try to have the last stable release in your computer, @hodlon

Afaik Fedora never has auto-updating by default

Gnome does, and it's even worse.

I'm not arguing over this. I'm arguing over @Wolfshappen random advise. He almost commanded "Get one without Nvidia". Well, ask first. Maybe that person is not interested in docking stuff but prefers a better card. Or maybe not. Or maybe he or she doesn't give a damn about any of the two options.

Not everyone is so alienated to the concept of what a goddamn dock means, which makes his @Wolfshappen advise easy to grasp and your refutal delirious. Do not blame others for your lack of touch with times.

Not everyone is so alienated to the concept of what a goddamn dock means, which makes his @Wolfshappen advise easy to grasp and your refutal delirious. Do not blame others for your lack of touch with times.

This is not the first time you speak rudely. Another of these messages and you'll be muted.

Learn manners, please!

That you have a knowledge doesn't mean that everyone else does. Not everyone work in development system admin stuff. Not everyone uses or ever seen a docker in offices. Not everyone is like you. So please, be considerate to others and refrain of the use of aggressive language. Calling others delirious and alienated helps nobody, and it's very rude.

Oh you have 8GB Memory. That makes sense. No swapping at 3.2 is just about right.

Interistingly enough, during install, one has to create a swap partition, no matter how much RAM the computer has or else the partitioner will throw an error.

Fedora 26 is not supported, you should upgrade your system at least to Fedora 27. Fedora 28 is the last stable version, but in a week or so, it will be Fedora 29.

Fedora 26 comes stock in Qubes 4.0, and I'm assuming that's for a reason. I don't want to break qubes by updating Fedora. Will do some more research to see if it's possible.

Fedora 26 comes stock in Qubes 4.0, and I'm assuming that's for a reason. I don't want to break qubes by updating Fedora. Will do some more research to see if it's possible.

Yeah, but it's difficult to install a program for such an old version. Maybe you can find an older version somewhere? RPM Fusion should still have a branch in repos for F26.

Yeah, but it's difficult to install a program for such an old version. Maybe you can find an older version somewhere? RPM Fusion should still have a branch in repos for F26.

Good point, if I just pulled from the repo with sudo dnf install telegram-desktop it would just install the most recent version with no consideration for the distro version right?

However, program seems to run fine as is. I'll stress test it tomorrow.

Good point, if I just pulled from the repo with sudo dnf install telegram-desktop it would just install the most recent version with no consideration for the distro version right?

Uh, no. It will install the most recent version for your distro. E.g. If you have F27, it will install the highest version in F27 repos. When you upgrade to F28, if there are any new versions then it will update that program as well.

If it was installed independently from repos, yes, it will install the latest version and upgrade to the latest regardless your distribution version.

However, program seems to run fine as is. I'll stress test it tomorrow.

Please, let us know the results of your stress test.

Uh, no. It will install the most recent version for your distro. E.g. If you have F27, it will install the highest version in F27 repos. When you upgrade to F28, if there are any new versions then it will update that program as well.

Ok so I'm fine then, I think I wasn't clear in my initial question. Since I have F26 and pulled it from the repo it installed the correct telegram version for F26.

Oh...!

I understood you wanted to install Telegram but it was giving you problems.