to work comfortably using a regular keyboard and two displays ;)

Regular keyboards are rather annoying. Too big. The two displays are fancy but I tend to focus in one thing and forget everything else, so they're not very useful.

Regular keyboards are rather annoying. Too big. The two displays are fancy but I tend to focus in one thing and forget everything else, so they're not very useful.

I, on the contrary, like regular keyboards better, and two or three displays help me work ;)

C USB's haven't been around forever

Yeah, but like most laptops from the last 1/2 years have type c

Youc an run all your monitors, have all your devices easily accessible like proper keyboards, mice, wired connections, proper audio support

I don't like mice, I prefer the touchpad. I find it far more convenient for precision work in paintings and photos. Making artistic stuff with a mouse is like drawing with a potato.

Yeah, but like most laptops from the last 1/2 years have type c

Not really, also type-c doesn't actually mean anything

Yeah, but like most laptops from the last 1/2 years have type c

and those usually don't have docks

If you said thunderbolt then maybe I would accept your point

I don't like mice, I prefer the touchpad. I find it far more convenient for precision work in paintings and photos. Making artistic stuff with a mouse is like drawing with a potato.

Drawing Tablet

Not really, also type-c doesn't actually mean anything

Well, as long as it's at least type c gen 3.2 it does the trick

Which you can also hook up.

Drawing Tablet

That I have and makes me happy every time I use.

If you said thunderbolt then maybe I would accept your point

Sadly thunderbolt only is on more expensive models - but it really is amazing, yes

but at least charging + ethernet, putting a laptop in the dock is easier than plugging those

That I have and makes me happy every time I use.

Now take out the annoying bit of having to connect it and it's fine

That I have and makes me happy every time I use.

Mine also works as mouse when the pen isnt detected :P

but at least charging + ethernet, putting a laptop in the dock is easier than plugging those

Yeah

Which you can also hook up.

Yeah, I plug it to my laptop when I need it.

Which is a GIANT TOUCHPAD xD

but at least charging + ethernet, putting a laptop in the dock is easier than plugging those

Hm, I just connect my monitor via thunderbolt and have all my usb connected to that monitor

So I have 1 cable for charging and all my connectivity

Mine also works as mouse when the pen isnt detected :P

Oh, this has a switch to make it work as a mouse. But I don't normally use it as such.

Hm, I just connect my monitor via thunderbolt and have all my usb connected to that monitor

I don't have a thunderbolt monitor, and when I looked at their prices, I doubt I ever will have one ;)

Which is a GIANT TOUCHPAD xD

Yeah, I know, but I don't keep stuff connected all the time. It wastes space.

And USBs. I don't have too many, so I only connect what I need while I need it.

Yeah, I know, but I don't keep stuff connected all the time. It wastes space.

Is it wasted space if it's actually being used effectively though?

If I look at my X240... 2 USB is nowhere near enough for me

Is it wasted space if it's actually being used effectively though?

If I'm using it no, but if I'm not using it at the moment, why would I want it connected?

If I look at my X240... 2 USB is nowhere near enough for me

Yes, I have three, so I administrate them carefully.

If I look at my X240... 2 USB is nowhere near enough for me

Keyboard to deal with the horrible keyboard on it, mouse to deal with the god-awful trackpad it has... but I also want to plug in USB sticks

As I said, good graphics are priority to me, so if the option is Nvidia or Docker that's a no brainer, it's Nvidia all the way.

As I said, good graphics are priority to me, so if the option is Nvidia or Docker that's a no brainer, it's Nvidia all the way.

But you're more than likely getting worse graphics on laptops with NVIDIA GPU's

Maybe the OP is the same, maybe not, but you should consider that different people have different uses.

Along with a massive host of issues with drivers

And then more heat, more battery draw

But you're more than likely getting worse graphics on laptops with NVIDIA GPU's

Worse? The laptop I have with Nvidia is still my top choice in graphics. It's awesome.

Worse? The laptop I have with Nvidia is still my top choice in graphics. It's awesome.

Is that the T440s?

Is that the T440s?

No. The Dell Latitude.

Which GPU?

I can't recall, and at this very moment I can't tell because it's some 200kms away from me.

Because the GT 730M Used on the T440s is literally the same pseed a s the integrated graphics on the machine

it's super heavy so I use the Thinkpad.

Because the GT 730M Used on the T440s is literally the same pseed a s the integrated graphics on the machine

No, my Thinkpad has Intel AFAIK

No, my Thinkpad has Intel AFAIK

Yes, beacause there's virtually zero reason from a consumer and a manafacturers perspective to go otherwise on such a high value lapotp

You either need to go for a really high end mobile GPU Which didn't really exist in 2013/2014 without murdering your laptop's size and weight and battery

Yes, beacause there's virtually zero reason from a consumer and a manafacturers perspective to go otherwise on such a high value lapotp

Is it a T440s high value? How?

Is it a T440s high value? How?

T440s wasn't high value hence why it has the GPU, it was cheaper than the $2K+ T440

You either need to go for a really high end mobile GPU Which didn't really exist in 2013/2014 without murdering your laptop's size and weight and battery

Or you get a GPU That's criminally underpowered and doing the exact same things.

Found the card model. My Dell Latitude has the following graphic specs: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 160M - 256 MB, Core: 580 MHz, Memory: 702 MHz, GDDR3, 7.15.11.7607 (Forceware 176.07)

Or you get a GPU That's criminally underpowered and doing the exact same things.

Okay. But my Nvidia laptop is not Thinkpad, it's Dell. And works awesomely.

Okay. But my Nvidia laptop is not Thinkpad, it's Dell. And works awesomely.

Because it's from a time where everything was so hot and had such poor battery that it didn't matter and INtel hadn't actually bothered putting good iGPU's in yet

My point is: If you don't know what the OP is going to do with the laptop don't just throw advises according to your own needs. Ask first, or explain why you say what you say. Otherwise, you all may mislead that person.

My point is: If you don't know what the OP is going to do with the laptop don't just throw advises according to your own needs. Ask first, or explain why you say what you say. Otherwise, you all may mislead that person.

Except that with a lot of laptop stuff it's intentionally misleading from the manafacturer to make you think you're getting something better when you're paying more for something worse in literally EVERY Single way

On almost every laptop with a low-end to mid-range dGPU You're getting something with worse graphics performance, more heat and battery draw and losing features

Because it's from a time where everything was so hot and had such poor battery that it didn't matter and INtel hadn't actually bothered putting good iGPU's in yet

Well, it doesn't matter to me today 12 years later. And if it wasn't for the weight that would be daily computer. Yes, the keyboard is annoying and sort but I can survive that. The graphics are awesome and that's what matters to me. Besides the screen resolution is ❤️

On almost every laptop with a low-end to mid-range dGPU You're getting something with worse graphics performance, more heat and battery draw and losing features

I'm not arguing over this. I'm arguing over @Wolfshappen random advise. He almost commanded "Get one without Nvidia". Well, ask first. Maybe that person is not interested in docking stuff but prefers a better card. Or maybe not. Or maybe he or she doesn't give a damn about any of the two options.

I'm not arguing over this. I'm arguing over @Wolfshappen random advise. He almost commanded "Get one without Nvidia". Well, ask first. Maybe that person is not interested in docking stuff but prefers a better card. Or maybe not. Or maybe he or she doesn't give a damn about any of the two options.

But on these laptops there isn't a better card

Fine, but he didn't explain.

Like, it's specific advice on these laptops and there is zero benefit to get one

Right, but he didn't say.

He only mentioned the docking.

That is very niche.

That is very niche.

Not if you go to any workplace that uses high end laptops

I know nobody except you guys who actually want a dock

Then explain it!

My point is give the reasons why you're advising something.

As you did @TheGamingBarrel

Just saying "do this" might be misleading. So instead of commanding something, say "if you use your computer in (whatever) is better to opt for this.", or "I would prefer this option, because of (reasons)". So the OP has it clear and can decide on his or her own.

Just saying "do this" might be misleading. So instead of commanding something, say "if you use your computer in (whatever) is better to opt for this.", or "I would prefer this option, because of (reasons)". So the OP has it clear and can decide on his or her own.

Except in situations where there is literally zero reason to do a certain thing, if there is zero benefit to doing something that costs more then why explain it unless they're actually curious, almost everyone will ask "why?" and then you explain

Most people won't ask why if they're told to do something with enough authority.

You can see it here.

That guy who bought a Latitude because someone told him that Thinkpad is bad.

He didn't ask, he just accepted someone else's word and took it for good.

Except in situations where there is literally zero reason to do a certain thing, if there is zero benefit to doing something that costs more then why explain it unless they're actually curious, almost everyone will ask "why?" and then you explain

If there are zero reasons, then there's nothing to say. Random advise are useless. If there are zero benefits, explain it so that person knows.

I'm not arguing over this. I'm arguing over @Wolfshappen random advise. He almost commanded "Get one without Nvidia". Well, ask first. Maybe that person is not interested in docking stuff but prefers a better card. Or maybe not. Or maybe he or she doesn't give a damn about any of the two options.

But they arent better.

Most thinkpads ship nvidias 820M so you are literally wasting your money.

Nvidia !== better.

I was wondering when you were going to spring....

Not even amd. Its per-card.

What took you so long to come back?

Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

LOL

What took you so long to come back?

Wörk :P

Oh, right.

For some reason I thought it was Sunday.

But no, really, when having the choid between 820M or not - go with not. The intel hd is faster AND better supported AND uses less battery.

And no, the colors wont be different.

Most thinkpads ship nvidias 820M so you are literally wasting your money.

I agree. But that wasn't my point.

I agree. But that wasn't my point.

Most thinkpads do not offer a faster nvidia than the intel hd is built in.

And if then barely.

Most thinkpads do not offer a faster nvidia than the intel hd is built in.

Yes, but you don't understand my point.

And if then barely.

On the T430 it actually makes your system basically unusable with a second monitor

I agree with you that in a Thinkpad is pointless to add a Nvidia. Just say why when you throw your advises.

I agree with you that in a Thinkpad is pointless to add a Nvidia. Just say why when you throw your advises.

I did.

The 820M in some thinkpads is out-paced by the intel hd.

^

Because saying "take one that doesn't Nvidia because of docker" says very little if the OP has no interest in dockers.

Because saying "take one that doesn't Nvidia because of docker" says very little if the OP has no interest in dockers.

Its one of the many.

If there are further inquiries. :P

^

Excellent. That's what I wanted.