I'm not an expert on flatpak, I could be wrong in that one.

I understood you wanted to install Telegram but it was giving you problems.

The install process was giving me problems but @sameyepatch helped me enable the repo and it downloaded fine.

Ah, okay, good.

No, as long as you install from repos versions will match. It's different when you install independently (e.g. an executable or a flatpak).

I tried downloading the tar to get around my repo problem but qubes wasn't having that. Needed the repo install in order to add the app to the other VMs.

Ah. Well, you're safe then.

And thats why assessing actual Memory usage is so difficult. xD

Ok so I'm fine then, I think I wasn't clear in my initial question. Since I have F26 and pulled it from the repo it installed the correct telegram version for F26.

Please upgrade, F26 is EOL.

Please upgrade, F26 is EOL.

He just said why he didn't.

Fedora 26 comes stock in Qubes 4.0, and I'm assuming that's for a reason. I don't want to break qubes by updating Fedora. Will do some more research to see if it's possible.

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/template/fedora/upgrade-27-to-28/

He just said why he didn't.

Because cubes doesnt release as often as fedora. :P

They give a howto for users in their docs.

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/template/fedora/upgrade-27-to-28/

Awesome! Hadn't seen this yet. Thanks for sharing.

Gnome does, and it's even worse.

Oh? I've always had to update it manually

Oh? I've always had to update it manually

When just installed, Gnome updated a couple of times before I realised what was going on and disabled that "feature". This was last year, the last time I used Gnome. KDE doesn't actually do it but checks and asks if one wants to update. But in checking there's always some download and that worries me. One of my flatmates does have the auto-updates and I grumpily told him to disable it. He can upgrade at his parents' house with unlimited internet.

I've read in some QA discussions this thing about upgrading stuff by default or not (in Workstation). But given I missed the last meetings, they might have changed things and I'm not aware of it. Not to mention I use KDE and not Gnome.

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/template/fedora/upgrade-27-to-28/

QubesOS new version3.xx come to Fedora 28, maybe the new version 4.xx come to Fedora 29 :-)

QubesOS new version3.xx come to Fedora 28, maybe the new version 4.xx come to Fedora 29 :-)

What

Yes

There's an annoying applet but it doesn't actually update, it checks and downloads and then asks. But my concern is not the updates themselves but the data spent because, as I said, I moved to a different flat and here I have a super limited connection that I have to share with others, so I'm kinda paranoid about the usage.

What's the name of that applet?

Yes

I dont think that the versions of Templates that dom0 is based matters

Could be based on 26 or 29

Same

Yep true,,..

When just installed, Gnome updated a couple of times before I realised what was going on and disabled that "feature". This was last year, the last time I used Gnome. KDE doesn't actually do it but checks and asks if one wants to update. But in checking there's always some download and that worries me. One of my flatmates does have the auto-updates and I grumpily told him to disable it. He can upgrade at his parents' house with unlimited internet.

I don't think checking consumes that much data. But, I too would like to know how to stop this.

I don't think checking consumes that much data. But, I too would like to know how to stop this.

Gnome doesnt only check. It also pre-downloads.

I don't think checking consumes that much data. But, I too would like to know how to stop this.

Gnome uses Software Center to download updates ?

Gnome uses Software Center to download updates ?

Yes.

Removing PackageKit does the trick easy. :P

Else you need to set some dconf values and disable some timers.

Else you need to set some dconf values and disable some timers.

makecache timer?

Ok. You could stop that By excuting following commands:

makecache timer?

That and others, but yes.

That and others, but yes.

Uwu, what others? I always just disable that.

- gsettings set org.gnome.software download-updates false - sudo systemctl mask packagekit.service

That's two for stability.

Three :)

Where is the community most active? Is there a slack or forum where most of the chatter happens?

Here :D :P

Uwu, what others? I always just disable that.

I just remove Packagekit and disable that timer. Removes all of it.

Its a nice feature for new users but i use dnf so...

I wasn't aware that you can actually remove PackageKit

I only remove PackageKit-Not-Command-Found

Because it's super annoying*

IMHO: PackageKit download rpm into /var/cache/PackageKit/ , and dnf download your rpm into /var/cache/dnf/. If you use "dnf update", into some case you download the same package twice.

this is the reason why, after install fedora workstation I run:

dnf -y -C remove PackageKit

cd /var/cache/ && rm -rf PackageKit/

dnf -y install dnfdragora

systemctl mask dnfdaemon.service

and I use only dnf update when I want update

dnfdragora use the same cache of dnf

Not everyone is so alienated to the concept of what a goddamn dock means, which makes his @Wolfshappen advise easy to grasp and your refutal delirious. Do not blame others for your lack of touch with times.

There is absolutely no reason to be so rude here.

Guys, i have a question about Thinkpads and docks and i hope it's not too off topic. I'd like to buy a laptop with ryzen APU. I saw the E585 which has good specifics but i'd like to use an eGPU at home. That laptop seems without the required thunderbolt port (because it's not intel) so i'd like to know if there is or there will be a dock implementing it. Have a nice day/night :)

@Wolfshappen Can i draw your attention to this message?

Guys, i have a question about Thinkpads and docks and i hope it's not too off topic. I'd like to buy a laptop with ryzen APU. I saw the E585 which has good specifics but i'd like to use an eGPU at home. That laptop seems without the required thunderbolt port (because it's not intel) so i'd like to know if there is or there will be a dock implementing it. Have a nice day/night :)

Did you try asking ##ibmthinkpad on FreeNode?

Guys, i have a question about Thinkpads and docks and i hope it's not too off topic. I'd like to buy a laptop with ryzen APU. I saw the E585 which has good specifics but i'd like to use an eGPU at home. That laptop seems without the required thunderbolt port (because it's not intel) so i'd like to know if there is or there will be a dock implementing it. Have a nice day/night :)

This would be unlikely

Guys, i have a question about Thinkpads and docks and i hope it's not too off topic. I'd like to buy a laptop with ryzen APU. I saw the E585 which has good specifics but i'd like to use an eGPU at home. That laptop seems without the required thunderbolt port (because it's not intel) so i'd like to know if there is or there will be a dock implementing it. Have a nice day/night :)

You actually do not need thunderbolt for eGPUs, even if favourable. There are usb-c egpu docks. Also, while the E models have amd i'd not count on them for build quality and stuff.

You can use mpcie for your egpu but performance will suffer

Or even USBC

But thunderbolt is the only thing that comes close to the bandwidth you need for good egpu performance

this is the reason why, after install fedora workstation I run:

What about KDE?

But thunderbolt is the only thing that comes close to the bandwidth you need for good egpu performance

Even then one has performance penalties, especially if using the laptops integrated display to display the eGPU's image

What about KDE?

Same story, disable the timers and disable the kde store autoupdate.

You actually do not need thunderbolt for eGPUs, even if favourable. There are usb-c egpu docks. Also, while the E models have amd i'd not count on them for build quality and stuff.

Oh, i didn't know about usb-c for eGPUs. If you think E models are not worth I'll wait for something else :) Thank you

Even then one has performance penalties, especially if using the laptops integrated display to display the eGPU's image

Yes

And thank you all for suggestions

Oh, i didn't know about usb-c for eGPUs. If you think E models are not worth I'll wait for something else :) Thank you

I'd beg to differ on that

The current e models are good

I use one myself

As long as its an e470 or newer

Its not as good as the T or X of course

But its good

dnf -y -C remove PackageKit

What's -C for?

And you get the great keyboard

@Wolfshappen What does dnfdaemon.service do?

And you get the great keyboard

What's the great keyboard?

@Wolfshappen What does dnfdaemon.service do?

dnfdragora dbus interface so users can do package management

What's the great keyboard?

The thinkpad one

Its disabled by default on most setups that dont make use of dnfdragora.

dnfdragora dbus interface so users can do package management

I removed packagekit and deleted the packagekit directory. Should I mask dnfdaemon.service? Also, is dnfdragora a must have? I had it installed on mine (Preinstalled on KDE) and removed it cuz I never used it.

I removed packagekit and deleted the packagekit directory. Should I mask dnfdaemon.service? Also, is dnfdragora a must have? I had it installed on mine (Preinstalled on KDE) and removed it cuz I never used it.

You dont have to if its not running already.

And no, dnfdragora imho is a pretty bad replacement for yumex.

How can I find out whether dnfdaemon.service is running or not?

yumex was fast, quick and awesome (and showed everything you needed)

And no, dnfdragora imho is a pretty bad replacement for yumex.

Terminal is fine

dnfdragora is slow and bloated.

How can I find out whether dnfdaemon.service is running or not?

systemctl status

ok

systemctl stop dnfdaemon.service systemctl disable dnfdaemon.service

What does that red color, degraded mean?

mask is only for when you never EVER want anything to start it

What does that red color, degraded mean?

2 sub-units failed.

Doesnt have to mean anything.

Ok. Thanks.

Does this have to do anything with the removal of packagekit?

Likely already uninstalled it then? :P