Oracle(l) hate over all their actions, destructive behaviour in the open source community and general douchery/lawyer intimidation is pretty justified imho.

All I wanted was reasonable justification, to keep the group light and not bordering on harassing

If you're gonna make a comment like that, at least attempt to justify it. Or better, don't make such comments at all.

if you want to find some reasons, google "fuck oracle" or "oracle sucks" and you'll find plenty of great reasons to hate the company.

besides, I don't see how the CoC applies to a company... I mean, last I checked, companies don't have feelings.

Oracle is shit...period. Use openjdk.

I repeat again, Robby here is almost ordering Kitty to use something else, because his choice is shit. The discussion here is to be communicative enough to justify why, this is about his behaviour, not oracle. And @notafile, you could do with reading the pinned message and the fedora coc

Oracle(l) hate over all their actions, destructive behaviour in the open source community and general douchery/lawyer intimidation is pretty justified imho.

This. I just attended the Open Source India Conference 2018 last week and Oracle was their to talk about 8.0 release of MySQL. Didn't seem like they're up for anything good.

I repeat again, Robby here is almost ordering Kitty to use something else, because his choice is shit. The discussion here is to be communicative enough to justify why, this is about his behaviour, not oracle. And @notafile, you could do with reading the pinned message and the fedora coc

Well, it was a necropost and back then i already did the explaining. xD

This. I just attended the Open Source India Conference 2018 last week and Oracle was their to talk about 8.0 release of MySQL. Didn't seem like they're up for anything good.

How is their appearing for a conference equate to their not doing anything good?

I repeat again, Robby here is almost ordering Kitty to use something else, because his choice is shit. The discussion here is to be communicative enough to justify why, this is about his behaviour, not oracle. And @notafile, you could do with reading the pinned message and the fedora coc

+1 bro

Well, it was a necropost and back then i already did the explaining. xD

You don't have to jump in for everyone, nor justify everything.

Well, it was a necropost and back then i already did the explaining. xD

Tobias is very strongly opinionated, for one xD.

How is their appearing for a conference equate to their not doing anything good?

vim rant.txt Well, it was an Open Source conference but they went on about MySQL for enterprises with its "brand new" High availability and scalability stuff. Didn't find it much in the open source rythms :wq

I repeat again, Robby here is almost ordering Kitty to use something else, because his choice is shit. The discussion here is to be communicative enough to justify why, this is about his behaviour, not oracle. And @notafile, you could do with reading the pinned message and the fedora coc

Have you seen what Oracle is pulling with Java recently? Apologies for the aggressive language

Have you seen what Oracle is pulling with Java recently? Apologies for the aggressive language

your suggestion was alright I think admin wants you to give reason with it

TL;DR Oracle has never been a good company. They are not good to the FLOSS movement.

openjdk is and always will be Open Source

and FREE!

Oracle Java on the other hand... they're now charging companies to use it

@Asiri_Iroshan ☝

apologies for not explaining why

I distrust Oracle in general

The last (in a large series of) debacles should still be on all our minds - where java se downloads are now default to a "no commercial usage" download, to force companies to buy for it when they realize its too late.

Yes, Oracle has a long history of shit behaviour. Personally, I think it's better to skip it all at once. Unless you're forced to use Oracle products for some very specific, unavoidable reason (like "it's used in my company", "it's my client's option and I can't change it").

Yes, Oracle has a long history of shit behaviour. Personally, I think it's better to skip it all at once. Unless you're forced to use Oracle products for some very specific, unavoidable reason (like "it's used in my company", "it's my client's option and I can't change it").

i hope they're paying for the license.

Well, that's their problem, not mine.

Well, that's their problem, not mine.

true... just stating this

I'm on my way back from the GSoC mentor summit

PS... I'll be switching to Fedora methinks

for bigger corporations, which Oracle is targeting, paying for such license is peanuts, so I wouldn't worry about that

Oh, nice. How it went?

:)

PS... I'll be switching to Fedora methinks

What are you using at the moment? I thought you were in Fedora.

Oh, nice. How it went?

Good...I realized i wasn't being a good org admin for GSoC

What are you using at the moment? I thought you were in Fedora.

Mint. I like the Fedora people/community

BTW, and just for the community's information: I just finished installing and upgrading Fedora 28 KDE Spin

BTW, and just for the community's information: I just finished installing and upgrading Fedora 28 KDE Spin

Good gonna try that... KDE is another community I kinda like lol

... I'm weird lol

Why? KDE is super-awesome!

Good gonna try that... KDE is another community I kinda like lol

I love the desktop and with the last upgrade I'm all ❤️ ❤️ ✨✨

Shame that Photoshop doesn't work on Linux. Otherwise, I could erase Windows forever.

Oh the one thing to love about KDE is Valorie

met her at the summit a couple years ago

But do you like the software?

You only mention people....

Shame that Photoshop doesn't work on Linux. Otherwise, I could erase Windows forever.

doesn't it work on Wine yet?

Shame that Photoshop doesn't work on Linux. Otherwise, I could erase Windows forever.

I will try running it with proton today :3

I've tried the new Steam's bundled wine yesterday. Hard Reset ran smoothly, but both GTAIV and Audiosurf crashed

doesn't it work on Wine yet?

I don't think so, but it's annoying to install tons of garbage just to see if it works.

I will try running it with proton today :3

Running Photoshop? Nice. Let me know if it works and what did you do to make it work.

Running Photoshop? Nice. Let me know if it works and what did you do to make it work.

Sure. But I highly doubt that it will work.

I've tried the new Steam's bundled wine yesterday. Hard Reset ran smoothly, but both GTAIV and Audiosurf crashed

Ah. Well, I don't game so Steam and so aren't a concern for me, but the last time I tried to use Photoshop with Wine, it didn't work. Only the old versions would work. And it would need A LOT of RAM.

Sure. But I highly doubt that it will work.

Me too, but it's worth a try, isn't it?

Me too, but it's worth a try, isn't it?

Yup.

But do you like the software?

Konversation was my IRC client for a time

Oh. I see.

then i switched to IRCCloud

Konversation was my IRC client for a time

Exactly the one program in KDE I never used ?

I'm a FOSS junky

"Telegram is considered as a security risk." Shall we all have to move to matrix?

Lol, Matrix has an even worse stance on privacy

Lol, Matrix has an even worse stance on privacy

Really?

Yes

Read their privacy policy

Privacy is not their main goal

matrix server cant delete messages... that should say enough

TG is a dumpster fire

ERROR: S client not available

and this is bridged

sooo...

TG is a dumpster fire

TG is unfortunately the sanest choice and compromise between speed, features, privacy and security

Privacy is not their main goal

I think only option left is to self host matrix ?

I think only option left is to self host matrix ?

That doesn't solve anything

Since anyone joining can log

TG is a dumpster fire

What's wrong with Telegram?

What's wrong with Telegram?

Closed source server code Non audited encryption protocol Non well documented API-s Casual downtimes Etc

those are all valid points

so as the alternative we have IRC which has a high entry bar for newbies, or Matrix which is... well, either someone would host it or it's a no go, I tried to use the official server and the speed was unacceptable

in my opinion, however sad it is, there's not much competition to Telegram when looking for approachable, casual chat platform

TG is unfortunately the sanest choice and compromise between speed, features, privacy and security

I actually use TG

okay, we're forgetting about XMPP which also has groupchats, but it's sadly in decline

XMPP can't pick up

I think the great days of XMPP are behind us

IRC is dying slowly

I remember when actually a lot of people were using XMPP, ~2005

IMHO it's a really nice communication protocol when it comes to usability

Telegram wins in UX, speed and features

What other messaging app allows you to send a 1.5GB file

XMPP allowed to :P

It's a chicken and egg problem

either using a P2P / in band connection, or some servers had a disk service where you could upload your files to the bot and got the link that you could share

BTW, and just for the community's information: I just finished installing and upgrading Fedora 28 KDE Spin

how that works for you?

so as the alternative we have IRC which has a high entry bar for newbies, or Matrix which is... well, either someone would host it or it's a no go, I tried to use the official server and the speed was unacceptable

Speaking of IRC It had its 30th birthday! https://arstechnica.com/staff/2018/10/internet-relay-chat-turns-30-and-we-remember-how-it-changed-our-lives/

Speaking of IRC It had its 30th birthday! https://arstechnica.com/staff/2018/10/internet-relay-chat-turns-30-and-we-remember-how-it-changed-our-lives/

IRC's still great, even if it has multiple weaknesses. The ability to use Bitlbee to use Facebook Messenger via IRC instead of a crappy webpage is pure bliss.

IRC's still great, even if it has multiple weaknesses. The ability to use Bitlbee to use Facebook Messenger via IRC instead of a crappy webpage is pure bliss.

I just avoid facebook entirely, works.

I just avoid facebook entirely, works.

I need/want to talk to people who don't have any other communicator available, so, well

apologies for not explaining why

Ah no need to. ? . I'm using OpenJdk anyways

apologies for not explaining why

Thank you, that's all I asked for.

PS... I'll be switching to Fedora methinks

Oh niice! Do tell us what you think esp vs linux mint

BTW, and just for the community's information: I just finished installing and upgrading Fedora 28 KDE Spin

Very nice