I know this, but doing everything to not share any info about your machine is paranoid too. Sure you can use tor, disable javascript, flash, java, use adblocks, not accept cookies, setup most popular UA, resolution and a lot other things, but what for? To woudn't be able to see most pages?

Changing the UA to a generic Linux one doesn't make you not see any pages.

UA is not something many people know about. Those who do also know what about:config is.

Open ticket in Mozilla's Bugzilla and ask them to add UA override feature to Settings.

I know this, but doing everything to not share any info about your machine is paranoid too. Sure you can use tor, disable javascript, flash, java, use adblocks, not accept cookies, setup most popular UA, resolution and a lot other things, but what for? To woudn't be able to see most pages?

Why are you so extremist?

I know this, but doing everything to not share any info about your machine is paranoid too. Sure you can use tor, disable javascript, flash, java, use adblocks, not accept cookies, setup most popular UA, resolution and a lot other things, but what for? To woudn't be able to see most pages?

I never proposed enabling Tor by default or disabling JavaScript. Where did you get that from? I proposed to change the UA, which doesn't hurt anybody and doesn't make your browsing experience any worse.

Open ticket in Mozilla's Bugzilla and ask them to add UA override feature to Settings.

Why?

Why?

Because nobody will add such patches to Fedora.

Because nobody will add such patches to Fedora.

Nobody asked for such patches.

Why are you so extremist?

Because I don't see point of this, privacy is one thing, but doing everything to not be tracked is stupid.

I said the UA which is fed into the browser at compile time should be changed.

Because I don't see point of this, privacy is one thing, but doing everything to not be tracked is stupid.

I think you meant: Doing one little thing that doesn't handicap anybody yet greatly contributes to not identifying a browser.

That's not "doing everything not to be tracked".

I said the UA which is fed into the browser at compile time should be changed.

And then you will ask to completely disable JavaScript by default? ?

I never proposed enabling Tor by default or disabling JavaScript. Where did you get that from? I proposed to change the UA, which doesn't hurt anybody and doesn't make your browsing experience any worse.

Because I don't see point of this, privacy is one thing, but doing everything to not be tracked is stupid.

Worries or concerns about my own privacy policies affect you? The thing here is that you are not being reasonable.

Every site can easily detect Fedora users and provide for example packages built specially for them.

And then you will ask to completely disable JavaScript by default? ?

As I said, unlike JS the UA doesn't handicap your browsing experience. Are you even reading what I'm saying? I'll also gladly write it in Russian if that's what causes misunderstandings here.

Every site can easily detect Fedora users and provide for example packages built specially for them.

Tell me, how many sites do this? The benefit of this change is ridiculously small. Is anybody hurt if they have to click "download for Fedora 24" on a website instead of being redirected to the right download automatically?

Default UA must contain OS name.

I am not talking just about UA, option to set own UA is no needed anyway. Because if you know what is it user agent, you can set it from hidden options. Regular guy who uses Firefox, Chrome or any other browser don't need it. Maybe you guys should make ticket for generic UA in browser, not to change it

I am not talking just about UA, option to set own UA is no needed anyway. Because if you know what is it user agent, you can set it from hidden options. Regular guy who uses Firefox, Chrome or any other browser don't need it. Maybe you guys should make ticket for generic UA in browser, not to change it

That's exactly what I proposed and what started this discussion. Change UA to a generic Linux one at compile time.

Default UA must contain OS name.

Who says that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent

Mozilla/[version] ([system and browser information]) [platform] ([platform details]) [extensions]

Why not just install umatrix that allows to randomize you to a generic UA?

Default UA must contain OS name.

I know people who change their configs to make their fedora appears as Windows XP on networks.

But again that is not obvious.

Why not just install umatrix that allows to randomize you to a generic UA?

Because we're talking about defaults.

I know people who change their configs to make their fedora appears as Windows XP on networks.

UserAgent Switcher can set different UA to different domains.

Because we're talking about defaults.

Peoplw that dont change them obviously dont care or have no idea of it and those who do can easily use extensions for it.

Mozilla/[version] ([system and browser information]) [platform] ([platform details]) [extensions]

That's is very vague. It doesn't say to what detail the system should be described. Distro name? Architecture? Installed packages? I say we need a generic Linux UA. Firefox/46 Linux.

Or if that is your main concern, download chromium and disable thr fedora user agent extension to get a generic one

Peoplw that dont change them obviously dont care or have no idea of it and those who do can easily use extensions for it.

Yes. And these people should be protected, too.

Yes. And these people should be protected, too.

Changing the UA will be the smallest of their tracking proble.s.

Yes. And these people should be protected, too.

No. I don't think so.

Just by installing ublock origin they could save themselves from most tracking attempts - that they dont... Well, Normies.

There is no helping the dumbest/technically unskilled users or we'd be at a locked garden like mac

I'm not saying to protect the dumb by removing features that are important for the non-dumb, like Apple is doing. As I mentioned, changing the UA to a generic one doesn't handicap anybody. The only argument for having a Fedora-specific one is that websites can provide the right download.

I don't know any website that scans for Fedora in the UA to provide Fedora packages, but even if: Is it really worth it? Is it that bad to click on "download for Fedora" instead of receiving the right download automatically? And shouldn't you be downloading packages with your package manager anyways?

I'm not saying to protect the dumb by removing features that are important for the non-dumb, like Apple is doing. As I mentioned, changing the UA to a generic one doesn't handicap anybody. The only argument for having a Fedora-specific one is that websites can provide the right download.

And to provide features that may otherwise not work, like html5 player on youtube ect.

I don't know any website that scans for Fedora in the UA to provide Fedora packages, but even if: Is it really worth it? Is it that bad to click on "download for Fedora" instead of receiving the right download automatically? And shouldn't you be downloading packages with your package manager anyways?

It's basic security to download and install from repositories only.

And to provide features that may otherwise not work, like html5 player on youtube ect.

Debian has a generic UA and the HTML5 player works perfectly fine. Why would YouTube need to differentiate Fedora vs. other Linux to serve a video?

Relevant: http://www.spinics.net/linux/fedora/fedora-advisory-board/msg14273.html

Debian has a generic UA and the HTML5 player works perfectly fine. Why would YouTube need to differentiate Fedora vs. other Linux to serve a video?

Actually, YouTube does not need to know which OS we're using.

And then we have the other side of the moon

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1190774

Actually, YouTube does not need to know which OS we're using.

If you use a Safari User Agent Youtube will disable maximizing the Window to real Fullscreen

If you use a Safari User Agent Youtube will disable maximizing the Window to real Fullscreen

And if you use android user agent you're gonna get mobile version

The point is that 99,9% of websites don't respond any different to generic Linux UAs than they do to Fedora Linux UAs.

The point is that 99,9% of websites don't respond any different to generic Linux UAs than they do to Fedora Linux UAs.

Exactly!

So I stopped using Fedora as of today, just didn't find a solution to my screen brightness problems after months of use. With Ubuntu I don't have these problems anymore. Will try Fedora again when I get a new hardware. Bye!

Bye @lgetin!

Bye @lgetin!

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Maybe I should also try Ubuntu

:^)

(Just joking)

This is hidden settings for power users.

Security by obfuscation? Hiding stuff to protect the users? Who protect us from the protectors?

You said that because ?

Read the comments I'm replying to.

Because I don't see point of this, privacy is one thing, but doing everything to not be tracked is stupid.

But it's you who's saying to take it to such extreme!

As I said, unlike JS the UA doesn't handicap your browsing experience. Are you even reading what I'm saying? I'll also gladly write it in Russian if that's what causes misunderstandings here.

Well... Even if he doesn't understand I will learn something... Russian! ?

Mac Pro com Fedora && OS Sierra

Wow! Congratulations!

I didn't see it now , I see it sorry

I didn't see it now , I see it sorry

It's alright

it, now I see it*

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Got it

Default UA must contain OS name.

Not necessarily. It can just say "Linux". I say it again, if Konqueror has this feature, why not Firefox?

erm...

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0

Default FF ?

Yes

It shows ?

Good

Yes, by default it does

Good

You can override it yes

You don't need to use any add-on just you need to add new value in to config

No. I don't think so.

Wait! What? Why they don't deserve to protect their privacy? Explain me that, please.

and It will override and you can type whatever you want it.

Yes...

And to provide features that may otherwise not work, like html5 player on youtube ect.

HTML 5 works everywhere. What difference makes to use it in Ubuntu or Fedora?

I for free html 5

HTML 5 FTW

It shouldn't make any difference what so ever.

HTML 5 FTW

FTW?

for the win

for the win

Ok

By by

Bye, see ya

haha @Kohane M-tech Computer

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Is there a way to only refresh one repo with dnf?

pionen: @GeorgeSapkin, try something like this dnf [options] repository-packages <repoid> check-update [<package-name-spec>...]

pionen: @GeorgeSapkin, to figure out the repo id use this: dnf repolist

pionen: @GeorgeSapkin, example: dnf repository-packages fedora check-update

Which is principal de fedora?

Which is principal de fedora?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Leadership