Does anybody else think that it's a bad idea for Fedora's Firefox to reveal what distro it is running on via UA?

Yes, I think so. But I thought that's configurable. Isn't it?

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thenks?

I like fedora xfce

Oh, very nice

I like Cinnamon and Gnome Shell

Gnome is good

Yes

I find Cinnamon more configurable. But I'm currently using Gnome Shell, I'm lazy to change right now, LOL

I prefer Mate at Cinnamon

It's been a long time without using Mate, so I cannot tell really.

Mate is Good

Yes, I know

But it's been almost two years now without using, I don't know how it is now

bye bye and thanks you for the chat

Anytime

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Folks, I'm taking the task of updating and packaging a tool for GDM. This was written for previous Fedora versions but needs to be updated to GTK 3.20. Also, I want to package it and if it's possible to include it in Fedora repositories. Now my question is: Where can I find clear documentation or instructions about how to update an app from a previous version of GTK (I think 3.18) to a new one (3.20 in this case)? Thanks in advance!

While working with some Vala app some time ago, deprecations are documented in gtk documentation as usual, when building should display proper warnings too

Release notes (news, changelog) also mentions what really changed

https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/ch32s10.html

Oh, thanks

But I never worked with GTK before. This link, the text in it is almost meaningless to me. ? Do you have anything that explains the process of updating a certain app in more detail?

Yes, I think so. But I thought that's configurable. Isn't it?

Most users won't configure it and may thus be uniquely identified.

Yes, that's true.

Hello L

Hey. I'll open a ticket on BugZilla.

About Firefox?

But I never worked with GTK before. This link, the text in it is almost meaningless to me. ? Do you have anything that explains the process of updating a certain app in more detail?

Between 3.18 and 3.20 shouldn't be significant changes, is it not working as is after building it or showing building errors or warnings?

showing building errors

showing building errors

could you fpaste the output?

Does anybody else think that it's a bad idea for Fedora's Firefox to reveal what distro it is running on via UA?

Install User-Agent Switcher extension and replace your UA.

Does anybody else think that it's a bad idea for Fedora's Firefox to reveal what distro it is running on via UA?

you simply delete fedora user agent from system

you can*

you can*

Note: "You can edit your messages in Telegram".

Install User-Agent Switcher extension and replace your UA.

I'm not sure if you're being serious right now. That suggestion is completely useless. Firefox has a built-in UA configuration. And as I just mentioned, it's about that Fedora's defaults are bad. OF COURSE it can be changed manually, everything can. But if there were a bug in the Fedora Linux kernel, would you say "oh you can just compile your own kernel" or would you fix the Fedora kernel?

I'm not sure if you're being serious right now. That suggestion is completely useless. Firefox has a built-in UA configuration. And as I just mentioned, it's about that Fedora's defaults are bad. OF COURSE it can be changed manually, everything can. But if there were a bug in the Fedora Linux kernel, would you say "oh you can just compile your own kernel" or would you fix the Fedora kernel?

I think that build-in Fedora tag in UA is a feature, not a bug.

I think that build-in Fedora tag in UA is a feature, not a bug.

Care to elaborate?

I'm not sure if you're being serious right now. That suggestion is completely useless. Firefox has a built-in UA configuration. And as I just mentioned, it's about that Fedora's defaults are bad. OF COURSE it can be changed manually, everything can. But if there were a bug in the Fedora Linux kernel, would you say "oh you can just compile your own kernel" or would you fix the Fedora kernel?

I vote for changing what is not working and maybe adding a note saying something like "you can configure it in xx". Most of people have no idea it's configurable simply because it's not in the Settings menu. See, I had to ask if it was configurable or not and I use Firefox every day.

Every site can easily detect Fedora users and provide for example packages built specially for them.

I think that build-in Fedora tag in UA is a feature, not a bug.

I think one should have *the option* to decide how much of ourselves want to show.

I think one should have *the option* to decide how much of ourselves want to show.

What option? This is compile-time feature, not an option at all.

I remember using Konqueror time ago and it gave me the option to show or not my operating system, browser and so.

If it's possible in Konqueror, it's possible in Firefox.

I remember using Konqueror time ago and it gave me the option to show or not my operating system, browser and so.

Just install User Agent switcher.

Mozilla will never allow end users to control default UA via settings.

How many know about it? How many know about what they're showing to others while they browse internet/

Mozilla will never allow end users to control default UA via settings.

Why not?

Why not?

Because less than 1% of users needs that.

Who says it? It's about privacy. Who decides I don't need to control what I'm showing?

Who says it? It's about privacy. Who decides I don't need to control what I'm showing?

This 1% of users can install UA Switcher addon.

You're not understanding my point. Who decides which are my needs?

You?

government - usual ?

LEL

You're not understanding my point. Who decides which are my needs?

Mozilla.

Well, they shouldn't.

You can also replace firefox to Chromium. ?

And do Chromium have a more obvious User Agent, that anyone can use? Or just the same with the different brand?

Well, they shouldn't.

Loaded web pages in modern browsers can get lots of data using JavaScript.

What is the purpose of this discussion - freedom?

the bank prefer the standards chromium

They can get your desktop resolution, installed plugins and extensions, available fonts, system locale settings and so on.

Just use https://panopticlick.eff.org/ from EFF.

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Well, finally!

What is the purpose of this discussion - freedom?

And privacy. I would like to control what I'm showing to others.

And privacy. I would like to control what I'm showing to others.

Then permanently disable JavaScript, all extensions, remove all non-standard fonts and use browser in VM.

There's no need to go to such extreme. You're all or nothing.

There's no need to go to such extreme. You're all or nothing.

You want to remove OS name from UserAgent, but don't want to disable JavaScript?

I'm not sure if you're being serious right now. That suggestion is completely useless. Firefox has a built-in UA configuration. And as I just mentioned, it's about that Fedora's defaults are bad. OF COURSE it can be changed manually, everything can. But if there were a bug in the Fedora Linux kernel, would you say "oh you can just compile your own kernel" or would you fix the Fedora kernel?

iirc this topic has been discussed in the fedora user or fedora devel mailing list.

fedora mailingList. pleas send me the link

And privacy. I would like to control what I'm showing to others.

You can always use internet like Stallman, afair he read web with wget - you can setup there your own UA !

fedora mailingList. pleas send me the link

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/

You can always use internet like Stallman, afair he read web with wget - you can setup there your own UA !

This guy has a point.

This guy has a point.

You're not being serious about this.

So you also think that Fedora should include Tor in the Workstation images and enable it by default?

It does not make sense.

Disable javascript, flash, java or even better disconnect from network, turn off all devices, lock yourself in basement and enjoy privacy

Amen.

So you also think that Fedora should include Tor in the Workstation images and enable it by default?

No, that's a very extreme approach. But being able to choose what info I'd like to share, such as the feature "tell the other site I don't want to be tracked" or so.

Disable javascript, flash, java or even better disconnect from network, turn off all devices, lock yourself in basement and enjoy privacy

I think icecat does this. I would assume they don't provide info related to which OS I'm running.

No, that's a very extreme approach. But being able to choose what info I'd like to share, such as the feature "tell the other site I don't want to be tracked" or so.

You are able!!! You are fucking free to install User Agent switcher!

You can always use internet like Stallman, afair he read web with wget - you can setup there your own UA !

What a shitty argument. Privacy is a right for everybody. You don't need to be super paranoid to realize the fact that UAs (and other information shared with the server) can help uniquely identify a computer.

You are able!!! You are fucking free to install User Agent switcher!

Yes but It is not that obvious.

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You are able!!! You are fucking free to install User Agent switcher!

You and @xvitaly keep mentioning that extension, but you don't need it. UA changing is built right into Firefox. You can change it in about:config.

This 1% of users can install UA Switcher addon.

Yes, or simply change via about:config.

Mozilla will never allow end users to control default UA via settings.

Wrong. It is possible in about:config. Well, depends on whether you define about:config as settings.

Yes, or simply change via about:config.

This is hidden settings for power users.

It doesn't require you to be a power user to click two buttons.

This is hidden settings for power users.

This!

Everybody who is "power user" enough to know what a UA is also knows what about:config is.

UA is not something many people know about. Those who do also know what about:config is.

It doesn't require you to be a power user to click two buttons.

You can harm your browser after changing some variables in about:config.

You can harm your browser after changing some variables in about:config.

That...is simply not true...

There's no harm coming from changing your UA.