hmm

i will, but tomorrow

gotta sleep

tbh unity should have become a nice upstream project across distros

Why didn't it?

Why didn't it?

canonical

Same thing with snap Vs flatpak

Functionality and performance of KDE + GNOME's simplicity = boom IMO

Functionality and performance of KDE + GNOME's simplicity = boom IMO

Qtgnome or gtkde?

Gtkde

But then it would start a fight with Qt devs feeling they are not represented in the name

Eventually it would end up as gqtk

They are quite close

Troll(tech), gnome

Qt and GTK aren't DE, they're just toolkits But I would prefer Qt because it is cross-platform

GTK is also cross-platform

tried both and IMHO Qt is nicer to develop in

But isn't for GTK on Windows additional program needed? Like runtime or something

Gtk has its vala, which is cool, but I think it doesn't get the recognition it deserves

But isn't for GTK on Windows additional program needed? Like runtime or something

you need gtk libraries, the difference is that in case of Qt devs usually bundle them together

on Linux you need those as well, btw

But isn't for GTK on Windows additional program needed? Like runtime or something

Same for Qt if it is dynamically linked

But isn't for GTK on Windows additional program needed? Like runtime or something

I think that it is integrated in the application. Many years ago, for instance to use Gimp on Windows you needed installalso GTK Toolkit, but now this is not true

Ok then

tried both and IMHO Qt is nicer to develop in

Also it is much more used by industry and it's well tested in both desktop and embedded environments

Also it is much more used by industry and it's well tested in both desktop and embedded environments

not sure about which one is more used, but yeah, Qt is pretty popular, if I'd have to choose one toolkit on which I should base my software, I'd go with Qt without hesitation

GTK is also cross-platform

Gnome devs are aholes who break GTK for other gnome based shells. Qt is universal. They should use gnome's design language and UX with powerful features of KDE. That would be one killer DE.

It also depends what language you wanna use. GTK+ has better support for more languages. Qt is basically C++ with poor support for the rest.

Must say PyQt is pretty good

Bindings for Rust exist ?

Must say PyQt is pretty good

It's really not. We had to ditch the whole code base of Fedora Live USB Creator because of it and rewrite it into C++ to make what Fedora Media Write is now.

I wonder why?

I wonder why?

Couldn't make a port to MacOS and portability was the main reason we picked Qt.

It's really not. We had to ditch the whole code base of Fedora Live USB Creator because of it and rewrite it into C++ to make what Fedora Media Write is now.

Why did you remove the persistence option? I remember it used to be there afew years ago.

I mainly use C++, so I never had an issue with this - I will keep this in mind though, so when I will need to do something with language other than C++, I will research quality of the support there

If you want problem-free portability C++ is pretty much the only option with Qt and if you want to develop only for Linux GTK+ is imho a better option just because most desktop environments are GTK-based.

Why did you remove the persistence option? I remember it used to be there afew years ago.

Can't recall the reasons right now, it's been two years.

If you want problem-free portability C++ is pretty much the only option with Qt and if you want to develop only for Linux GTK+ is imho a better option just because most desktop environments are GTK-based.

I hate Qt applications in Cinnamon because they have the default theme that is not dark as my GTK theme ?

I don't know any manner of choosing a Qt theme

You can install qt5ct to get Qt apps use gtk2 theme, or install qgnomeplatform and adwaita-qt to get the same setup that is in Fedora at the moment

But the latter is just forces Qt to use adwaita theme

Oh, thanks

I hate Qt applications in Cinnamon because they have the default theme that is not dark as my GTK theme ?

Do you use QtGnomePlatform? That syncs themes between Qt and GTK. But it might only work with GNOME.

It's really not. We had to ditch the whole code base of Fedora Live USB Creator because of it and rewrite it into C++ to make what Fedora Media Write is now.

Is fedora media writer available in other distros

Is fedora media writer available in other distros

It's available as a flatpak in Flathub, so it can be used in other distros.

I know that it is available in Arch through AUR

You can install qt5ct to get Qt apps use gtk2 theme, or install qgnomeplatform and adwaita-qt to get the same setup that is in Fedora at the moment

I have just intalled it, but I can only choose icon themes, not CSS themes

Oh I forgot, you also need qt5-styleplugins

IDK is it available in Fedora repos

I'll check that too

I have only found qt5-style-oxygen using dnf search, but it seems that KDE themes from https://store.kde.org/p/1226050/ could be installed, although I have to investigate how, since for GTK themes copying the files in .themes is enough, KDE themes seem more complicated

Looks like it was removed in Fedora 27

With qt5ct you can change look of Qt apps but there very few themes for Qt. The alternative is to install kvantum and use arc-dark or adapta-nokto, but kvantum also isn't in Fedora repos and I haven't found any rpm on the internet (and I also don't know how to build them) I think it is much easier just to use gtk apps or don't bother yourself about look of Qt apps That's why I prefer to use either default themes or popular Adapta and Arc I'm used to use kvantum in Arch because it is in official repos there

I have seen it in the Darkine theme description ?

I will leave alone Qt style then ?

thanks

One day I'll build a kvantum rpm package to properly install it

one thing I don't like about RPMs is how hard it is to make them, I had no issues creating arch or void packages, but RPMs are still on my bucket list

maybe I was missing something

Yeah it is something to learn for me too

one thing I don't like about RPMs is how hard it is to make them, I had no issues creating arch or void packages, but RPMs are still on my bucket list

Actually making it is not that hard. Just write a spec file and go :)

Actually making it is not that hard. Just write a spec file and go :)

I'll have to revisit it then, as every time I've attempted to do it I got stuck at some point... ;)

I'll have to revisit it then, as every time I've attempted to do it I got stuck at some point... ;)

it also depends on how perfect you want to package an application. If you want to follow the standards and want to package and electron app, you have a lot to do :D As in theory you should package every dependecy. :D But if you just want to get a software into an RPM and get it to your hosts, it's pretty straight forward ones you got it :)

ERROR: S client not available

it also depends on how perfect you want to package an application. If you want to follow the standards and want to package and electron app, you have a lot to do :D As in theory you should package every dependecy. :D But if you just want to get a software into an RPM and get it to your hosts, it's pretty straight forward ones you got it :)

I wanted to package textadept, and I'd like to do it right from thebeginning so maybe it would get accepted into the official repository - I would have to look at the licensing though, as I don't know whether it would be 100% acceptable in repos (as it's not there yet, it may be because noone cares enough, or because there's some reason for it)

mhm have a look at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist

mhm have a look at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainers_wishlist

thanks

hello, I'm going to install f27 on my new laptop, and I wondering about the nvidia card

May I use the rpmfusion repo for this card: NVIDIA Quadro M1000M

May I use the rpmfusion repo for this card: NVIDIA Quadro M1000M

I would read the docs first. ?

@fdvalero There are tables that explain compatibility. I know @Wolfshappen linked it the other day, but I'm in a call and can't fish for it now

I would just use nouveau drivers

NVDIA and LInux?

I would just use nouveau drivers

@GeeXT This is hit or miss depending on the card.

@fdvalero Personally, I use the Negativo17 NVIDIA repos for drivers

Mr Linus disapprove

@erMonacoo True but this is not helpful.

I know that, lol

@fdvalero I use these drivers. https://negativo17.org/nvidia-driver/

I know I’m just kidding

@fdvalero Personally, I use the Negativo17 NVIDIA repos for drivers

thank you, I will consider this as my first option

I know many people use the RPMFusion Nvidia drivers without issue. A long time ago, they broke my system and Negativo's drivers worked. This was maybe back in Fedora 22 or 23, so a long time ago.

I am using Negativo's Nvidia drivers successfully now.

But it may not hurt to try out Nouveau first, if you have not tried yet.

Nouveau is the open source Nvidia driver already packaged by default in Fedora. Depending on your card, it will work really well or really bad. :P

Does Optimus work with these drivers?

Does Optimus work with these drivers?

I think so? I'm actually not sure

It's written on the link above somewhere on the page

I remember scrolling by it

Yeah thanks Looks like it is better to use nouveau for me :P

Thanks all, I will share my experience with this card