I seriously haven't really kept up with news

And only by creating the incentive to use the CROSS-PLATFORM Solution we can see awesome opencl as standard for both.

hmmm

Its not like opencl is only amd, it works as fast as cudo for both gpu makers.

most neural network frameworks got opencl support now.

wait, was that also the case 1½ years ago when I bought the card?

wait, was that also the case 1½ years ago when I bought the card?

Well, not tensorflow.

maybe he had his reasons to refuse them, we should ask him on IRC next time he logs in

Tensorflow got it a few months ago thanks to heavy lifting work from amd

do we have his IRC?

(ROCm is in the process of being upstreamed and for now only has ubuntu kernels for now)

But it will result in full-performance, open source opencl right out of the box.

Well, not tensorflow.

so not the most important one

(ROCm is in the process of being upstreamed and for now only has ubuntu kernels for now)

> ubuntu

> ubuntu

i know i know

But its soon officially upstream directly in the kernel

making distrospecifics useless anyway.

(and this is rocm still being fleshed out)

Computing was always amd's strong side anyway.

i know i know

i once thought ubuntu was the only linux* distro. I used it for a couple days. I really liked the idea of using linux. But damn ubuntu started to get annoying... crashes, crashes everywhere... (even today you really notice that they use debian unstable as base) *back then i didn't know it was gnu+linux

i once thought ubuntu was the only linux* distro. I used it for a couple days. I really liked the idea of using linux. But damn ubuntu started to get annoying... crashes, crashes everywhere... (even today you really notice that they use debian unstable as base) *back then i didn't know it was gnu+linux

Because it isnt gnu/linux, as we dont call it butter/bread and metal/knife.

Because it isnt gnu/linux, as we dont call it butter/bread and metal/knife.

i think people should call it butter/bread because I absolutely despise butter and I really hate it when someone offers me a bread with liver sausage and they put fucking butter on the bread. the combination of bread and butter is an abomination and it needs to be stopped. seriously, have you tried "just bread without butter"? it's fucking good.

Because it isnt gnu/linux, as we dont call it butter/bread and metal/knife.

also, comparing metal/knife to gnu/linux doesn't make sense because knives are made out of metal but Linux isn't made out of gnu

i think people should call it butter/bread because I absolutely despise butter and I really hate it when someone offers me a bread with liver sausage and they put fucking butter on the bread. the combination of bread and butter is an abomination and it needs to be stopped. seriously, have you tried "just bread without butter"? it's fucking good.

I have tried butter without the bread because fuck carbs.

No more blood sugar rollercoster for me.

also, comparing metal/knife to gnu/linux doesn't make sense because knives are made out of metal but Linux isn't made out of gnu

There is no gnu/linux to compare it to.

And please, dont forget to also always name busybox/linux, toybox/linux and co.

And never forget that busybox/linux is used more than any gnu based linux around the world.

i'd say gnu/linux is like bread/sandwich

That's implying that GNU is an essential part of an operating system

yea, it really is

linux contains lots of gnu libraries

that is why Linux brand contains "GNU"

Doesn't have to though. musl as a replacement for glibc, clang as a replacement for GCC/g++. I'm sure someone else has written a free MPI library. I can't list every one of the top of my head, but there is a viable replacement for everything GNU has done

^^ this

also dont forget that Android doesnt use GNU libraries

yes, but initially Linus built Linux with lots of GNU libraries

or at least majority of them are not part of the GNU project

just because majority of distros use GNU libs and programs does not mean Linux is dependent on GNU

Really? This conversation again?

XXI Century, and we are still talking about "How to call it?"

ofc

Linux/GNU would probably be the right version

yea, it really is

Its not.

that is why Linux brand contains "GNU"

It doesnt.

??

alpine, the currently most widely used docker distro, has zero gnu components because they are way too fat and have too much unneeded stuff.

Not even glibc is used because every single other c lib performs better while offering most of the feature completeness (like musl)

but when we talk about Linux itself we should say "GNU/Linux"

also dont forget that Android doesnt use GNU libraries

This. Android may be the most widely used linux around the world.

Making it "BusyBox/Linux"

exactly

but when we talk about Linux itself we should say "GNU/Linux"

No, if you talk about linux its linux.

If you talk about a distro name the distro.

If you want to honour stallman go use his operating system emulator.

XXI Century, and we are still talking about "How to call it?"

Because stallman wanting to force-insert himself everywhere and going green with envy that distros ususally name linux and not using his inferior hurd kernel and not naming gnu corelibs makes him sad.

but when we talk about Linux itself we should say "GNU/Linux"

No, Linux is linux

so

ya'll hate stallman

Even RMS Doesn't call it GNU/Linux anymore

ya'll hate stallman

Wrong.

because he realised that so much of the kernel isn't GNU Software

>cuda

There exist alternatives.

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Stallman does a lot for privacy. Stallman initiated many prjects making way for linux as it is today.

we need a Linux specified history guy

Stallman is the Open Source

we need a Linux specified history guy

If you want to specify someone for linux its linus.

And not the tech tips version.

i mean in this chat

ya'll hate stallman

Also calling out a specific act of rms as retarded doesnt mean you hate him.

rms might go a bit autistic on the privacy front, but he offers some sane suggestions everyone else in the security field never noticed, mainly to do with JS and mobile phone tracking

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/31/17184164/google-alphabet-url-shortening-service-closed

suck it, whatsapp https://venturebeat.com/2018/04/03/whatsapp-public-groups-can-leave-user-data-vulnerable-to-scraping/

Also calling out a specific act of rms as retarded doesnt mean you hate him.

but still he is a little bit crazy

There will never be any agreement about this topic. When speaking of free software and open source, there are usually two different kinds of people. There are people who view free software as a philosophical movement and have moral concerns with the concerns of proprietary software. There are also people who believe in open source because it sometimes produces better software at a efficiency and effectiveness point-of-view. These people believe that open source produces better software and better products but may not have the same philosophical grounds as others in the free software community. Both views are valid. But both believe in the same thing, for different reasons.

<Sheogorath[m]> @jflory, well, there are some corner cases, where these different views run into contradicting areas. As it is fine for a open source software to contain patented code, it's nothing you want to have in free software.

Whats your animal association with word "guard"?

<Sheogorath[m]> @jflory, well, there are some corner cases, where these different views run into contradicting areas. As it is fine for a open source software to contain patented code, it's nothing you want to have in free software.

Sheogorath: I see what you mean. But I think for some people, the free software angle will not appeal for them. But the open source angle, even with patented code, is fine.

It depends on what the terms "free software" and "open source" mean to someone.

There are many different views on it. Not all of them are the same. ?

<Sheogorath[m]> I agree and as most people also use the word open source (which automatically includes all free software + some non-free but open source software) correctly. Only when people talk about free software/FOSS/FLOSS it becomes ugly.

<Sheogorath[m]> Because free software is way stricter. Starting by the license that is used and depending on the interpretation includes external ressources as server software, dependencies, … as well

ya'll hate stallman

He is my idol.

There will never be any agreement about this topic. When speaking of free software and open source, there are usually two different kinds of people. There are people who view free software as a philosophical movement and have moral concerns with the concerns of proprietary software. There are also people who believe in open source because it sometimes produces better software at a efficiency and effectiveness point-of-view. These people believe that open source produces better software and better products but may not have the same philosophical grounds as others in the free software community. Both views are valid. But both believe in the same thing, for different reasons.

I actually am partidary of both.

FOSS shows that there is still hope for humanity, and at the same time... some FOSS artifacts are masterfully crafted goods from the best of the industry.

Then again, if you let anyone randomly publish modifications, quality can also go down a lot. How was this distinction called? Cathedratic?

Как запустить фотошоп на федоре?

Как запустить фотошоп на федоре?

English, please. Go to @russianfedora, if not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar

English, please. Go to @russianfedora, if not.

Ok

How to run photoshop on Fedora?

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How to run photoshop on Fedora?

Use Wine :D

Use Wine :D

Yes