After being on Arch for a majority of my time, I sure do miss the massive AUR package collection. Fedora sure does have all required stuff but it takes a bit of searching tho..

Sort of homesick for AUR atm lol

After being on Arch for a majority of my time, I sure do miss the massive AUR package collection. Fedora sure does have all required stuff but it takes a bit of searching tho..

AUR sucks ?, some of the packages were buggy

always trusted the official ones, or just built the package from source

Sort of homesick for AUR atm lol

It'll go away, no worries. You'll notice that you use way less time on fixing your setup on Fedora :D

how's @TeledoraBot working anyway

AUR sucks ?, some of the packages were buggy

I never ran into any major bugs tho, just some minor ones which is obvious given that it's Arch lol

It'll go away, no worries. You'll notice that you use way less time on fixing your setup on Fedora :D

I guess, I've not run into any software issues till now. All the trouble was caused by my incompetence ;__;

I guess, I've not run into any software issues till now. All the trouble was caused by my incompetence ;__;

That's what I mean :D

That's what I mean :D

Lol

BTW, Can I male a copr account and build all the packages required for me? Or is there any special conditions on how they allow people to make accounts?

I guess, I've not run into any software issues till now. All the trouble was caused by my incompetence ;__;

lack of attention more like, not incompetence

an incompetent doesn't know how to install ArchLinux from scratch

?

BTW, Can I male a copr account and build all the packages required for me? Or is there any special conditions on how they allow people to make accounts?

IIRC you just have to have a fas account

BTW, Can I male a copr account and build all the packages required for me? Or is there any special conditions on how they allow people to make accounts?

Yes and no. By "all I require" you still have to care about license terms. Which by the way a lot of AUR packages don't do :x But there almost nobody cares

Oh wow, I gotta say, Linux groups are so goddamn helpful when compared to Android ones. People are so decent here lol It's totally chaotic there. I building Android ROMs so I am in many of the android groups and boi are they a mess.

an incompetent doesn't know how to install ArchLinux from scratch

Lol, I feel good about it. Thanks ?

Oh wow, I gotta say, Linux groups are so goddamn helpful when compared to Android ones. People are so decent here lol It's totally chaotic there. I building Android ROMs so I am in many of the android groups and boi are they a mess.

Not all Linux groups are helpful :P

IIRC you just have to have a fas account

I saw peeps compile their own stuff there so wondered.

Not all Linux groups are helpful :P

Maybe, I'm in only 2-3 of the groups. But trust me when I tell you, Not even a single android group is this way.

In 2017/2018, it's very, very hard to justify working on a Linux desktop environment and being paid to do it

AFAIK some gnome and kde developers are paid

In 2017/2018, it's very, very hard to justify working on a Linux desktop environment and being paid to do it

Hold it, are you saying people shouldn't get paid for their work on kde/gnome/xfce/budgie/whatever?

AFAIK some gnome and kde developers are paid

Right. This is why as far as desktop environments go, I'm usually more likely to use GNOME, KDE, or Xfce than others. (Also says the person using i3wm)

Right. This is why as far as desktop environments go, I'm usually more likely to use GNOME, KDE, or Xfce than others. (Also says the person using i3wm)

This, I use i3wm and can agree that I'd rather use KDE or Xfce than any other desktop environments

Hold it, are you saying people shouldn't get paid for their work on kde/gnome/xfce/budgie/whatever?

You added "shouldn't be paid", but that's not what I said. :-) I mean that in the corporate world of open source, a desktop environment is not critical to many companies' business models. It's unlikely that many companies, even ones doing a lot of open source, will support a developer to work on a desktop environment on company time. I know GNOME is one of the few exceptions to this, which is why I am more likely to use GNOME if I must use a Linux desktop environment. I think KDE and Xfce also have paid developers, but I'm not as familiar with those communities as GNOME. It's not a matter of whether these people should be paid or not. I think a lot of people doing cool things in open source should be paid for their work. But in reality, sometimes projects are still side projects or maintained by a small community.

I'm not the kind of person who spends a lot of time customizing my desktop environment. I usually want something that Just Works™ and that I can rely on working with things that I need, like wireless drivers, graphical support, third-party software, etc.

At my university, we had to stop recommending people to Cinnamon (even though it has a nice UI) because there are issues with Cinnamon's wireless component to connect to my university's wireless network (802.1x)

Only Cinnamon had this issue, but not in GNOME or Xfce, and for people trying Linux for the first time, they're probably going to be frustrated if they can't get online easily, even if the UI is nice

There was an upstream bug open but not responded to in a long time and seemed to be stalled

So that's why I have the opinion of choosing a desktop environment that also has a bigger community and usually paid developers behind it. It's hard for me to imagine many other projects as anything bigger than a side project or hobby for most people. I also take this risk every day using i3wm and also recognizing it's a small community and the lead maintainer could decide one day to give up. And then I would have to figure something out once things break

Right. This is why as far as desktop environments go, I'm usually more likely to use GNOME, KDE, or Xfce than others. (Also says the person using i3wm)

Yeah, I also go with the canonical options

Yeah, I also go with the canonical options

I have the same issue with Unity though, especially when Canonical slowed development on it. I think it's less an issue now that they're using GNOME by default

A former member of the Ubuntu Community Council is involved with various open source activities in my city, and he's told me about why he switched away from Ubuntu to Fedora when small, trivial (but annoying) bugs popped up in Unity but weren't fixed at a decent speed (where they were in projects like GNOME)

When Canonical decided Unity wasn't important, the desktop suffered too, which makes sense why they decided to go the upstream way and use GNOME now

Because Canonical didn't seem to have much interest in anyone but Ubuntu using Unity

So you have one major stakeholder creating a single desktop environment, and then at some point, Canonical realized that Unity development wasn't critical to their business model or helping them make money

Canonical seems to be refocusing a lot on IoT and servers, where Ubuntu is doing very well

So the switch from Unity to GNOME also seems to support the idea that Canonical is refocusing Ubuntu with developer time on other core activities to help them make money

I have the same issue with Unity though, especially when Canonical slowed development on it. I think it's less an issue now that they're using GNOME by default

I didn't mean canonical the company!

Oh, lol, oops. Then I rambled for nothing ?

For me it's also gnome or kde ?

Kde before, gnome since plasma 5 came in

And xfce in old computers which I don't use too much anyway

Does anyone here have some experience with ipsec .I have some doubts if anyone can help?

Im using libreswan

Does anyone here have some experience with ipsec .I have some doubts if anyone can help?

IPSec is a network protocol used in VPN networks. What do you need to know?

IPSec is a network protocol used in VPN networks. What do you need to know?

Im trying to impliment host-host von using libreswan .Both my vms are fedora services are working fine but still not working after checking with tcpdump

?

Im trying to impliment host-host von using libreswan .Both my vms are fedora services are working fine but still not working after checking with tcpdump

Use wireguard

Much easier

And better suited for what you want

Im planning for gsoc in libreswan

Thats the reason why im emphasizing on that

Will try wireguard

Im planning for gsoc in libreswan

What's that

What's that

Google summer of codes

Correct me if I'm wrong you want to set a point to point tunnel between 2 servers right?

Anyone using mutt email client?

Does anyone here have some experience with ipsec .I have some doubts if anyone can help?

"if avoidable dont use ipsec"

If possible go for openvpn p2p network and reach the same result but stable, working better and more performant

Correct me if I'm wrong you want to set a point to point tunnel between 2 servers right?

Yes

Im trying to impliment host-host von using libreswan .Both my vms are fedora services are working fine but still not working after checking with tcpdump

use openvpn

use openvpn

Okay thanks

ERROR: S client not available

I have that exact setup at home, forwarding an entire network from each tough

I have that exact setup at home, forwarding an entire network from each tough

Cool

Is there anyway to check open udp port?

netstat

On remote

hmm

On remote

nmap external ip

I have vpn server that I can't make a connection to it. I wonder if firewall block it.

nmap external ip

For udp?

For udp?

sudo nmap -sU -p port target google is your friend

you can do that from the local host too tough - if the firewall is cloised the result will be the same

Ya, That shows open for any port

Ya, That shows open for any port

the no firewall is in place at all.

That isnt good

Owww

It's googlecloud and the documentation says that all incoming connection is blocked by default.

Are you trying to use a free gcloud instance for vpn?

Ping!

ping

ping

pong

??

@Wolfshappen, @dminca - The modem keeps going off/on randomly. I swapped the grids to see whether it was prior grid's fault and remains same. I believe it's because it gets hot. It's a refurbished unit; may be defective, who knows. I've e-mailed the seller to figure out whether I can issue a refund/return of it.

For udp?

usually IPSec runs on UDP 500 but that's used with IKE to create VPN tunnel

It gets on my nerves when Internet connection is cut from the WiFi yet I still have full signal thanks to my powerful router. ❤️

"if avoidable dont use ipsec"

I agree

Ipsec might be compromised

TL;DR Don't buy refurbished modems, cheap men.

We don't know

Ipsec might be compromised

of course, L2TP is better

of course, L2TP is better

I just use shadowsocks lol

hmm, what's that? ?

I just need to obfuscate traffic from my ISP, anonymity isn't the concern