Can I stay here without being a fedora user ?

I hope so. I'm an archer :P

I like the name

I hope so. I'm an archer :P

Same here

Can I stay here without being a fedora user ?

You should at least try it, it just werks

Can I stay here without being a fedora user ?

I do :P

You should at least try it, it just werks

Tried it once lol

You should at least try it, it just werks

^^

We have hundreds of those here, even windows users and ubuntu users ask for help here because this is one of the largest and most densely knowledgeable packed linux groups i know of.

I tried open suse, and I loved everything but the zypper command line tools

We have hundreds of those here, even windows users and ubuntu users ask for help here because this is one of the largest and most densely knowledgeable packed linux groups i know of.

Wew

Windows

Ugh

Adding repositories was too complicated

Adding repositories was too complicated

AUR is so good, will be hard to find something better imo

AUR is so good, will be hard to find something better imo

Eh, it's nothing special

We have hundreds of those here, even windows users and ubuntu users ask for help here because this is one of the largest and most densely knowledgeable packed linux groups i know of.

Awesome! Make that this group's description

AUR is so good, will be hard to find something better imo

Yeah. Suse's one click install interface came close, but dunno about cli

Eh, it's nothing special

Can fedora do that

Can fedora do that

Yes

You can access the AUR From fedora, if you want

Lol

Awesome! Make that this group's description

Not really, we then tell windows users to install fedora >:3

Does steam run on fedora ?

Not really, we then tell windows users to install fedora >:3

XD

Perfectly

You can access the AUR From fedora, if you want

Whaaaaaa

I don't use fedora but I've never had ANY Issues with it

Perfectly

"Games for ubuntu", they work too?

Except that it comes with gnome by default, that's a personal preference :P

AUR is so good, will be hard to find something better imo

rpmfusion, negativo and copr provide a pretty robust set of packages - and commercial tools are more likely to have an actual .rpm available.

Except that it comes with gnome by default, that's a personal preference :P

I use kde

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/kde/

Then use the plasma spin :)

rpmfusion, negativo and copr provide a pretty robust set of packages - and commercial tools are more likely to have an actual .rpm available.

When we say AUR, what we mean is the ability to distribute packages by just sharing their pkgbuilds

The ABS is pretty awesome that way

When we say AUR, what we mean is the ability to distribute packages by just sharing their pkgbuilds

And the variety of packages that exist compared to other popular distros

The ABS is pretty awesome that way

Yeah, you can just point it to a .deb or .rpm file and it will install it too

When we say AUR, what we mean is the ability to distribute packages by just sharing their pkgbuilds

This has been heatedly and extensibly debated in usefulness, security and user friendliness before - you can search for AUR and scroll up to save the argument here ^^'

It's cool being able to install everything using the same tool

If fedora has something like that then cool

If fedora has something like that then cool

Yes, dnf.

If fedora has something like that then cool

dnf

Nice

How does packaging work there?

In dnf

No matter if its from rpmfusion, external source, regular packages or co - you can install it via dnf. Same for downloaded packages, dnf install ~/Downloads/bla.rpm

Altough you should avoid installing manually

dnf install *

How does packaging work there?

https://github.com/xvitaly/tgbuild

But you still need a .rpm, right?

But you still need a .rpm, right?

The same way you need a pkgbuild on arch :P

https://github.com/xvitaly/tgbuild

This is the open source build of telegram @xvitaly has put up for us all to enjoy, you can study it.

(You need to add rpmfusion free to be able to dnf install telegram-desktop)

The same way you need a pkgbuild on arch :P

Think of the PKGBUILD as the set of instructions to convert a package (even a Deb or rpm) into a .pkg.tar.gz

Think of the PKGBUILD as the set of instructions to convert a package (even a Deb or rpm) into a .pkg.tar.gz

Think of a SPEC as build instructions to make the endproduct from source.

Think of the PKGBUILD as the set of instructions to convert a package (even a Deb or rpm) into a .pkg.tar.gz

I'm aware of how a pkgbuild works, but I'm referring to grabbing it from a repo and installing it

Conversion of debs is forbidden even i think.

Conversion of debs is forbidden even i think.

Forbidden?

Debtap does just that

For Arch

Plus you have to build against fedoras versions (qt, ffmpeg ect.) so using ubuntu versions is not allowed either.

Well you can basically install pretty much anything like chrome, spotify, telegram, ... easily using the same tool without having to download the stuff manually etc.

That's what I meant

Forbidden?

I think he means forbidden in the fedora community maybe

ERROR: S client not available

For Arch

Yes, but you may end up with (like telegram) it being compiled against year-old versions of ubuntu.

Fedora supports so much newer things - before the rpmfusion build telegram was broken in touchscreen usage for forever.

Too old qt+xorg libs it was compiled against.

Yes, but you may end up with (like telegram) it being compiled against year-old versions of ubuntu.

I'm not sure I follow there. How is it being compiled against old versions of Ubuntu?

I think he means forbidden in the fedora community maybe

Forbidden as in a package created as conversion will not be accepted into the repos.

Oh yeah, that way yes

I'm not sure I follow there. How is it being compiled against old versions of Ubuntu?

Telegram binary from their webpage is built against libxorg-old, qt5-old ect ect.

But that means that the binaries they provide are also built like that

Things that dont work or dont work properly anymore in newer versions start to emerge in fedora, like touchscreen support needing newer xorg to be compiled against.

But that means that the binaries they provide are also built like that

Fedoras are built against fedora package versions.

Same for rpmfusion.

Even telegram?

Yes.

Telegram binary from their webpage is built against libxorg-old, qt5-old ect ect.

I mean, in this case specifically, you can use telegram-desktop-git instead of telegram-desktop-bin

Even telegram?

https://github.com/xvitaly/tgbuild/blob/master/telegram-desktop.spec

I mean, its all there - look at it. :P

Okay, but like @TheGamingBarrel said, you can just use the -git version of those packages

And then compile them, if needed.

Yeah, you do compile to install on arch

I'm fine with compiling certain things... wine-gaming-nine is no longer one of those things

Unless they are noarch/python tools that use /bin/env python2 or something.

All that's done in the pkgbuild

All that's done in the pkgbuild

I still prefer specs with github sources. :P

I still prefer specs with github sources. :P

So point your package build to their .git and go from there :P

The PKGBUILD pulls from git, and compiles dependencies if needed, and compiles the main package and installs

wine-gaming-nine did not even work for me Ended up going for wine-staging-git

of course had -O3 -march=native

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/telegram-desktop-git/

Check out a package build. It's a stupendously simple process to create an Arch Linux package

So point your package build to their .git and go from there :P

No need to, no arch.

I'd get fired for using it too so - nah.

I stick with RHEL/CentOS/Fedora.