Of course we're not in a war, "dude". The original comment just made no sense. Neither does this one.

Yeah.. I am not very good in jokes and etc.. I could agree with you about the first one but the second was just an explanation

Pale Moon is a security risk to you, to everyone around you and a developer issue that in the end the larger libraries have to care about if too many use it. And solely for the last it should burn to the ground because polyfills.

So...what browser is good? (Without Firefox, Chrome, chrome-based)

Though, I have been really tempted to use Firefox again. Performance is better than it was before Quantum, but it's still lagging behind Chromium, and recent events make any appeal of Firefox to me wither away.

Well, it's worth a try, just for the sake of divergence...

For the sake of divergence?

Trying new stuff out.

It wouldn't really be new. I was using it not long ago, after the Quantum release.

Aye. As I mentioned, lesser performance and questionable acts by Mozilla make it less appealing to me.

What kind of acts you talking about?

Most recently the Mr. Robot kerfuffle.

I stopped watching that after season 1.

We need a revolution, don't you think so ?

(except but mate - it is a different distro)

(except but mate - it is a different distro)

Isn't it the same as Ubuntu, but with different software installed by default?

Isn't it the same as Ubuntu, but with different software installed by default?

Some features are not in Fedora mate. (Yet). The mate-tweak for instance....

the DE is also totally different, also Mate can be normally used on a weak machine

But isn't Ubuntu Mate == Ubuntu with different software? At least that's how I understand the argument

but with Mate there's realy much more separate work, also I'm pretty sure the whole Mate DE is made for Ubuntu Mate in a first place

But isn't Ubuntu Mate == Ubuntu with different software? At least that's how I understand the argument

but with Mate there's realy much more separate work, also I'm pretty sure the whole Mate DE is made for Ubuntu Mate in a first place

Not really, the main dev just designed a lot of stuff for Ubuntu and didn't port it upstream (yet)

but with Mate there's realy much more separate work, also I'm pretty sure the whole Mate DE is made for Ubuntu Mate in a first place

Don't claim this, because it's not entirely accurate.

Some stuff is not available everywhere else.

Some stuff is not available everywhere else.

It doesn't make it a different distro.

It doesn't make it a different distro.

And that stuff that isn't pushed up? Most of it is because it's not something specific to the desktop itself, or the upstream bits aren't very accepting.

I never said different. Pay attention.

Martin wimpress wants to push the software boutique upstream, he actually mentioned that in a post sometime back.

And I'm very excited to see how that progresses :D

Till that, the software remains Ubuntu only, not even debian compatible.

Don't claim this, because it's not entirely accurate.

Mate tweaks has made its way to some distros, but not the mutiny UX. I don't know why that is.

Mate tweaks has made its way to some distros, but not the mutiny UX. I don't know why that is.

Just a bunch of components that go into it. Different bits need to be present and implemented.

Maybe because it was made by the ubuntu mate team and not the mate team itself?

People are free to port/fork.

But it should be made portable, that's the thing.

It should be made. Down the road when there's interest, it should be worked on.

It needs to actually fulfil the purpose its made for first. THEN improved upon.

I remember reading some old mailing lists about unity not being portable despite Fedora and openSUSE devs being interested...

I don't doubt they were interested. And I don't disagree that there could have been some better collab (or any, really).... But I also don't think it's Ubuntu or Canonical's responsibility to cater to another co's work.

But they don't HAVE to. Nor are they required to by anyone but themselves.

Again, had canonical made unity available everywhere, who knows, maybe someone would have developed and maintained the software now...

I'm not gonna lie, I actually think one of the big issues with Linux adoption is actually the consistent push for everything to be made for everything else, instead of devs working on their purpose, solely.

It is being maintained, and it is going to be further developed.

Well, that is the tried and tested method, isn't it? For most DEs, apps, themes, whatnot. .

Sure, tried and tested, and failed. The DE is adopted, sure.... But this isn't mainstream stuff.,