And rightly so.

And Fedora 14 is more than 10 versions ago.

That makes some 4 or 5 years. It's a lot.

Pale Moon is the nice browser, no matter it based on Firefox 5.3

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Old age is not always means bad quality

But the point of Fedora is having the latest.

And ancient Fedora is pointless.

BTW, @jflory can you tell me what did I wrong with the wiki? I added the Chinese group but the link looks ugly.

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Well, it's Firefox 5.3-based browser which is still alive

And what's the point of using a super old browser?

And ancient Fedora is pointless.

We speak about Fedora based distro, not Fedora.

And what's the point of using a super old browser?

It's fast, secure and has a nice interface.

We speak about Fedora based distro, not Fedora.

But still. Why using something so old when you can get the best and new?

It's fast, secure and has a nice interface.

it's weired!

But still. Why using something so old when you can get the best and new?

Maybe RMS have something against Fedora 15>

it's weired!

A couple of days ago, when Firefox have made their strange advertisement extinsion, i've moved to Pale Moon. And I found it very comfortable.

Maybe RMS have something against Fedora 15>

RMS had always something against Fedora.

He's pretty specific about the issues with Fedora, and what keeps it from being approved by the FSF.

I don't really care, tbh, but it's convenient to have it laid out. ?

TBH, the FSF approval doesn't take my sleep away.

Well, it's Firefox 5.3-based browser which is still alive

My mistake, it was 3.5 based until the release of Firefox 24. Now it's 24 based, but that's old too, so whatever...

TBH, the FSF approval doesn't take my sleep away.

Same here. I always see it as a guideline to being the most ironically restrictive software.

RMS had always something against Fedora.

RMS had always something against everything

And I think it's nice in some ways

what's RMS ?

what's RMS ?

Not What but Who

what's RMS ?

Richard Stallman, I can't recall what the M stands for.

Richard Matthew Stallman

Ah, oaky

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I may understand him, he wants people to think about consequences of any their move and being more 70-80's teenage-rebellious

I always found it to be a huge hypocrisy, but it has some benefit.

Same here. I always see it as a guideline to being the most ironically restrictive software.

heh, yeah, totally agree

I always found it to be a huge hypocrisy, but it has some benefit.

True,

I may understand him, he wants people to think about consequences of any their move and being more 70-80's teenage-rebellious

I'm fine being a 2018 middle age rebellious.

I don't recall the 80s as specially nice era.

And I think it's nice in some ways

It's a source of amusement indeed.

People like him is very honest, actually, and really free... Sometimes I really want to live without social sites, all that stuff that eats your time and don't mind about people's opinion like him

I'm eveb thought about using some open source hardware

BTW, @jflory can you tell me what did I wrong with the wiki? I added the Chinese group but the link looks ugly.

Could you share the link?

I don't give a shit about others' opinions, but I don't go around trying make others think like me.

(But when I saw the proce I was like: oh crap)

Oh, yes, sure, sorry Justin

This is the link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Telegram#Groups

I don't give a shit about others' opinions, but I don't go around trying make others think like me.

Not that way, it's about 'all people you need likes some stuff you don't like, so you can always left them, to be honest with yourself and protecting your own interests'. Such a non-compromised types of freedom

Guys like him can easily blow their own car apart just because they want

Well, good for him.

And I think, this state of mind helps him to make open source programs so widespread

But it bothers me that he wants everyone believing the same.

I don't think RMS helps to make open source any more widespread. It might well be the contrary actually.

But it bothers me that he wants everyone believing the same.

He just wants to make everyone nice, in his way of meaning of word 'nice'

You may admire him, but for a lot of people he looks more like a fanatic.

He just wants to make everyone nice, in his way of meaning of word 'nice'

That's fine, but I don't like it. I don't like to be told what is good and bad for me.

My point is... that I recognise his contribution. But for many people it was like Linux = fanatic thing

And that doesn't help to convince others to use it.

That's fine, but I don't like it. I don't like to be told what is good and bad for me.

I think we should treat him like he is your old grandpa who always trying to teach you something and that's not working because it's a bit dumb

I don't admire RMS, but I can understand his opinion

I think we should treat him like he is your old grandpa who always trying to teach you something and that's not working because it's a bit dumb

Oh. That's actually quite nice, I like it.

As for me, Linus Torvalds, Clive Sinclair and Chris Curry are the best guys in IT

Linus and his rants ❤️

I've read his book, the best biography I ever read

Oh, I couldn't read it yet.

You don't happen to have a link, don't you?

Or the file...

It's a funny thing, actually...

You don't happen to have a link, don't you?

Not in English, sorry

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which language?

Russian

oh

It was even published here

no, I don't understand Russian

no, I don't understand Russian

I know, we have spoke a lot about language differences in this chat

It was even published here

Trying to find a printed version in internet, sometimes, not successful...

Anyway, new Thunderbird is here, with the fix of 5 problems/bugs

Hmm. I don't see the Chinese group at all?

Oops, that didn't reply to your message, @Kohane

Let me check, it should be there.

Pale Moon is the nice browser, no matter it based on Firefox 5.3

Holy damn its not. Its a security issue, a massive backporting issue thay frankly the developer stopped caring about and you actively using that slows the internet for everyone. It still cant do basic Es5 and Es6 stuff and dont even speak about the single largest js/ts development gamechanger of promises and observables.

Pale Moon is a security risk to you, to everyone around you and a developer issue that in the end the larger libraries have to care about if too many use it. And solely for the last it should burn to the ground because polyfills.

Maybe RMS have something against Fedora 15>

They dont, blag just has too few supporters and people that care to do the work of keeping it updated. Plus fedora is so libre now that replacing the kernel with the readily available linux-libre makes your system fully libre if i remember right - ajd the advanced stallmanism that a package manager must make it as hard as possible to even add a propreitary or non-free source is just not sensible.

I know, we have spoke a lot about language differences in this chat

True, but there are so many Russians and people with nicknames that don't match their actual nationalities/languages that I got messed up.

I for myself, I have a Japanese nickname and I never been Japan, not even by accident.

Hmm. I don't see the Chinese group at all?

I do see the group but the link on the right is just a number and an arrow.

Pale Moon is a security risk to you, to everyone around you and a developer issue that in the end the larger libraries have to care about if too many use it. And solely for the last it should burn to the ground because polyfills.

Polyfills?

Polyfills?

goes like this: checkForBrowserCompatibility('promises') if available do nothing if not load purely js drop-in that cant mimick the original but is good enough to work albeit slow

LMAO

Okay

Got it

I think you already explained this but I forgot.

You have to add larger and larger detection libraries for more and more things that a browser might or might not support. And if you look at modernizr, the largest one, you'd have to check a shitton of boxes to check for and their replacements.

And these detections can fail for other reasons, leading to sleepless developers.

Fall? From where?

And well, since IE <11 is now illegal to use for some data standards or something we stopped caring and palememe will be ignored and locked out of more and more things.

Fall? From where?

Fail*

Ah

ok

I for myself, I have a Japanese nickname and I never been Japan, not even by accident.

my username is the best since lot of people get confused and tell me they believes 247 people were writing at once :P