Failed, how? I'm still unsure.

Because we still see an OS as a distro, and an interface as a DE. Stuff that definitely appeals to me, sure. But doesn't pass for mainstream class software. Doesn't pass for premium software, even if it is absolutely awesome.

I found this interesting. Didn't know about it until now. https://fedoramagazine.org/improve-code-searching-skills-pss/

Handy tool

It is, on Linux. That's what should matter, right? We take care of our own first, don't we?

That's exactly what I'm saying about its tribal nature.

That's exactly what I'm saying about its tribal nature.

That's not what I mean, tho.

So...what browser is good? (Without Firefox, Chrome, chrome-based)

Firefox, Chromium. You may not like to hear it but the two largest browsers are simply the most tested and fastest to be fixed. At most something like qutebrowser thay just uses qt's backend might be worth it but then you already loose ublock origin. What drives you away from the mainstream browsers in the first place tough?

Because we still see an OS as a distro, and an interface as a DE. Stuff that definitely appeals to me, sure. But doesn't pass for mainstream class software. Doesn't pass for premium software, even if it is absolutely awesome.

The problem to me is even the fact that every one can do everything, that means freedom of course but we generally end up having 1000 distros, 100 formats and 50 des

And someone might get lost

The problem to me is even the fact that every one can do everything, that means freedom of course but we generally end up having 1000 distros, 100 formats and 50 des

But, for better or worse, that choice is Linux. Windows has only one UX, and their users are worse off for it.

Firefox, Chromium. You may not like to hear it but the two largest browsers are simply the most tested and fastest to be fixed. At most something like qutebrowser thay just uses qt's backend might be worth it but then you already loose ublock origin. What drives you away from the mainstream browsers in the first place tough?

Oh and if you seriously fear tracking by google in chromiums or mozarellas retarded decisions in firefox's case: the internet without either of them+ublock origin likely knows your sexual orientation just by your aggregated browsing habits - chromium, firefox and for the very very fanatic ungoogled-chromium at most ask google for malware site lists.

I know, and i agree, but at least their users are all under the same hood

The problem to me is even the fact that every one can do everything, that means freedom of course but we generally end up having 1000 distros, 100 formats and 50 des

I agree

And tbh I'm fine with the spinoffs and whatnot. But I don't think devs should be expected to cater to someone else's audience.

There are cases where this benefits both, but there are many others where it's just a time consuming courtesy

If Budgie 11 was released, and it wasn't very agnostic, I wouldn't be upset because it's not their job to make that desktop environment for Ubuntu or Fedora, or anyone else.

They're making software for their userbase.

The code is open, do it yourself.

But of course, Ikey is very nice, and he's good at le agnostics

They're making software for their userbase.

That's mostly all the devs need(I.e other distro devs), except to ensure budgie 11 doesn't break anything else on their base distro.

The problem to me is even the fact that every one can do everything, that means freedom of course but we generally end up having 1000 distros, 100 formats and 50 des

But thats why we have standards that develop out of cross usage need :P

I mean a few years back you could count on gnawing your way out of iso-8859-X hell when editing old Projects.

Nowadays so many things are UTF-8

I know, and i like the fact i can use cinnamon on fedora for example

But

The gnome humans design guidelines exist as well as the wayland compositor defintions and all - so sure there xan be duplicated effort by making yet another one but its faster to do so because almost everything is documented.

If someone want to use windows just need to download windows and installi it

If someone want to use linux

He should choose a distro, a desktop and the apps, and while this is good to me, simply this is not ineresting for the majority of users

They can go to kernel org and compile it - if they eant to use a distro they have to do a tiny bit if research, yes.

He should choose a distro, a desktop and the apps, and while this is good to me, simply this is not ineresting for the majority of users

Absolutely.

tiny bit of research?

It's not a tiny bit, unfortunately.

He should choose a distro, a desktop and the apps, and while this is good to me, simply this is not ineresting for the majority of users

It's a lot more fun, though, the ability to do it on Linux...

But guess what, the ability to show that you can even do basic googling already tells that one can act on their own when given a pc and linux - which saves the support chats to be full with 70 year olds.

Like I mentioned earlier... A distro, while technically an OS, is still just a distro. And a DE, while an interface like others, is still just a DE.

People want completion. People want integration. People want seamlessness.

Many gnu/linux users dont' really know what's with the other distributions. Lots of people still think that fedora is a buggy crappy rhel testing ground. Sittin on Ubuntu.

Realistically, Linux is janky af.

Many gnu/linux users dont' really know what's with the other distributions. Lots of people still think that fedora is a buggy crappy rhel testing ground. Sittin on Ubuntu.

Unfortunately, yeah :(

I love it, but it's janky ?

So, lots of other people think that Ubuntu == Linux.

Many gnu/linux users dont' really know what's with the other distributions. Lots of people still think that fedora is a buggy crappy rhel testing ground. Sittin on Ubuntu.

This is so sad tbh :(

It's not a tiny bit, unfortunately.

Well, googling linux should lead to distrowatch or something similar. Or even wikipedias list. Or the actual /g/ choosing guide thats not tooooo bad.

Well, googling linux should lead to distrowatch or something similar. Or even wikipedias list. Or the actual /g/ choosing guide thats not tooooo bad.

Man, you are a developer, it's easy to you, cause you are developer. It's your way. Most of people won't normally do that.

I don't say it's good, I just talking about the reality

moreover

Man, you are a developer, it's easy to you, cause you are developer. It's your way. Most of people won't normally do that.

Isn't he a sysadmin?

» Lots of people still think that fedora is a buggy crappy rhel testing ground. Sittin on Ubuntu. This is about the people, who know about distrowatch

Isn't he a sysadmin?

Doesn't matter. The point is: he's not a regular user, he is experienced.

Man, you are a developer, it's easy to you, cause you are developer. It's your way. Most of people won't normally do that.

I started with linux when i was roughly 13.

I started with linux when i was roughly 13.

How old are you now, btw?

I had no idea what a pc was beyond basic functionality and my ideas of how that beast worked were rough at least.

How old are you now, btw?

22 or 23, too lazy to calc.

I look at my wife, which is a Fedora user. She knows almost nothing about technologies, she can't code. She knows something about Ubuntu and other distribution. She just saw Fedora on my laptop one day and wanted it. Just-install-and-use user.

22 or 23, too lazy to calc.

Oh, aights

And people like her will not google what is the difference between tons of this crap..

Cause they are not interested in knowing it, only using.

Cause they are not interested in knowing it, only using.

For those Korora may be the better option tough.

My colleagues on the other hand: they are coders, but they don't give a shit about linux. In my previous place, they were forced to use ubuntu, and they were ok with that.

For those Korora may be the better option tough.

I disagree.

Comes with rpmfusion, patented codecs, chrome and lots of intro

For those Korora may be the better option tough.

IMHO Korora is bloatware-os ?

We use rfremix, and it has everything

And people like her will not google what is the difference between tons of this crap..

For most people, computer is a tool, and they are interested in getting stuff done with as much friction avoided as possible, if they can buy a Windows/Mac/Ubuntu machine which "just works", they will choose that over doing research

IMHO Korora is bloatware-os ?

Sure but a User that googles "vlc downloaf" and execs the first tar they find after half an hour of googling are more dangerous.

Sure but a User that googles "vlc downloaf" and execs the first tar they find after half an hour of googling are more dangerous.

one thing is googling how to dnf install another thing is to try to understand what's going on with all of these distributions

Sure but a User that googles "vlc downloaf" and execs the first tar they find after half an hour of googling are more dangerous.

Hah. true :P

ERROR: S client not available

Sure but a User that googles "vlc downloaf" and execs the first tar they find after half an hour of googling are more dangerous.

I generally point beginners to the software center and explain, comparing to the Google play store :p

one thing is googling how to dnf install another thing is to try to understand what's going on with all of these distributions

Yes. But distros atleast have alreadybstarted to display app store results when searching the program list

That is actually amazing thing. If I've got your point correctly. But it still better and easier to use terminal.

So, lots of other people think that Ubuntu == Linux.

100% agree, in fact ubuntu was the first distro i've tried back in the days

Same here. It was Ubuntu 9.smth. And I couldn't make it work.

That's why I've delayed with GNU/Linux usage :D

That's why I've delayed with GNU/Linux usage :D

i was "wow" at first but after one day with unity i was like "wtf is this thing" :P

i was "wow" at first but after one day with unity i was like "wtf is this thing" :P

What de do you use now?

That is actually amazing thing. If I've got your point correctly. But it still better and easier to use terminal.

Tbh, when it comes to Ubuntu == Linux, I think they had a better shot with Unity (if it had gone the right way).

And another thing: RH for some reason (and/or Fedora Community) don't try to make Fedora a Desktop Operating System for users. They don't have advertisement, there are no laptops with preinstalled Fedora. So it's hard to actually understand that Fedora is a user-ready and user-friendly OS.

What de do you use now?

after ubuntu i tried fedora with gnome, never looked back

Tbh, when it comes to Ubuntu == Linux, I think they had a better shot with Unity (if it had gone the right way).

From an end-user and consumer standpoint, that would be an OS. And alternative to Mac or Windows that's more enticing. It's an experience, an established and seamless one. But with GNOME, things kinda fall apart on that front.

after ubuntu i tried fedora with gnome, never looked back

Nice!!!

From an end-user and consumer standpoint, that would be an OS. And alternative to Mac or Windows that's more enticing. It's an experience, an established and seamless one. But with GNOME, things kinda fall apart on that front.

How so?

And another thing: RH for some reason (and/or Fedora Community) don't try to make Fedora a Desktop Operating System for users. They don't have advertisement, there are no laptops with preinstalled Fedora. So it's hard to actually understand that Fedora is a user-ready and user-friendly OS.

I feel this way as well. Tbh, I consider Fedora user-friendly, but not beginner-friendly.

i've done lot of distro hopping but dunno why fedora workstation has that home feeling that others are missing

How so?

How so, what?

I feel this way as well. Tbh, I consider Fedora user-friendly, but not beginner-friendly.

As I said: there is an experience with a complete not experienced in CS user, which uses fedora daily. With one failed attemtp to return to Win 10 :D

How so, what?

Why do you feel that way, with gnome?

Why do you feel that way, with gnome?

Have you used GNOME?

I feel this way as well. Tbh, I consider Fedora user-friendly, but not beginner-friendly.

well the only thing a beginner should know is rpmfusion

Furthermore, 17.10

Have you used GNOME?

I have, and I do.

well the only thing a beginner should know is rpmfusion

Another one is rfremix :P

I have, and I do.

First and foremost, the extensions kerfuffle.

last time i've done a clean install i decided to not to use the terminal at all and only use graphic program to see if a beginner can configure the system without a terminal, and it's perfectly doable

First and foremost, the extensions kerfuffle.

That's most certainly NOT something you can push for consumers or most mainstream PC users. At least not the way it is, which is frankly quite broken ?

Another one is rfremix :P

which is?

Which is what?

That's most certainly NOT something you can push for consumers or most mainstream PC users. At least not the way it is, which is frankly quite broken ?

But I do like GNOME :D

So...what browser is good? (Without Firefox, Chrome, chrome-based)

Why? What's wrong with Chromium? It's open source.

It calls Google