In most cases it's pointless to push people. Most of them take it as offense and that's usually not what you want. So take it easy and wait for the day, when they want them to help you and are open to listen to your words. That's easier for you and the possibity that it works is a lot higher

I see lot of people that seems like offended when i suggest them to use deluge or transmission instead of utorrent...that's just an example

In most cases it's pointless to push people. Most of them take it as offense and that's usually not what you want. So take it easy and wait for the day, when they want them to help you and are open to listen to your words. That's easier for you and the possibity that it works is a lot higher

While it is true, what is the benefit of trying to force someone to do something your way?

So I am leaning toward something like gocryptfs for ease of use and good security. GPG would work but has more manual work to be done. Imho

So far it seems there is no forward secrecy encryption for files like there is for IM.

Well, only for transit - Aes and co just dont work this way XD

Well, only for transit - Aes and co just dont work this way XD

Yep. And my threat model is “casual attack” and “broken crypto algorithms”

A state-like attacker is out of scope

You might want to look out for Nextclouds client side encryption then - altough no file encryption has perfect forward secrecy as thats mostly a thing for transmission anyway you can get pretty reliable encryption on your side this way.

I see lot of people that seems like offended when i suggest them to use deluge or transmission instead of utorrent...that's just an example

Agreed. I learned about these things during my activists time :D Very useful knowledge

You might want to look out for Nextclouds client side encryption then - altough no file encryption has perfect forward secrecy as thats mostly a thing for transmission anyway you can get pretty reliable encryption on your side this way.

I like those folks (met them at a conference) but feel like their project is overkill for my use case. As an example, I have an encrypted external hard drive of photos I’d like to store in the cloud in case the drive fails.

I like those folks (met them at a conference) but feel like their project is overkill for my use case. As an example, I have an encrypted external hard drive of photos I’d like to store in the cloud in case the drive fails.

Thats pretty much where it'll excel (as soon as deltasync and CSE are in)

Or you could use rsync delta-sync XD

(If you have a ssh-reachable server that is)

While it is true, what is the benefit of trying to force someone to do something your way?

Speaking for me, never forced anyone...just asked them politely (my friends for example) if they wanted to switch to something better, but they generally answer they don't care about a better option :p

Speaking for me, never forced anyone...just asked them politely (my friends for example) if they wanted to switch to something better, but they generally answer they don't care about a better option :p

Aye, and tbh I'm totally fine with that. I just get peeved when people insist you want something other than what you asked.

While it is true, what is the benefit of trying to force someone to do something your way?

It's not about forcing. It's about to convincing people. As @legacychimera247 pointed out: µtorrent for example works fine, but causes various problems over and over again. Using Transmission would offer the same functionality but less problems. Less problems are good for me and good for the other person. win-win, you know?

That's my only issue tbh. Alternative suggestions are great, I typically even say thanks for the suggestion, but that's where that road ends. :)

It's not about forcing. It's about to convincing people. As @legacychimera247 pointed out: µtorrent for example works fine, but causes various problems over and over again. Using Transmission would offer the same functionality but less problems. Less problems are good for me and good for the other person. win-win, you know?

Sure, but they're not asking to be convinced. They're asking for a solution. And while an alternative is fine to present, presenting it as if it's the only option is wrong.

Especially comments like "Then switch Fedora to Windows."

As if using a software they don't prefer makes you less worthy of using anything you want?

Sure, but they're not asking to be convinced. They're asking for a solution. And while an alternative is fine to present, presenting it as if it's the only option is wrong.

Well, at least for me it's working like that: You can use this as a free alternative I can really investigate or you are on yourself.

Thats pretty much where it'll excel (as soon as deltasync and CSE are in)

The sync can be done via rsync as you mention. My use case does not include web accessibility. This is cold storage so in case of disaster recovery I don’t mind waiting for download before I’m able to get to my data again.

Well, at least for me it's working like that: You can use this as a free alternative I can really investigate or you are on yourself.

And that's also fine. That wasn't what upset me. :) That would have been the respectful approach.

I strongly disagree

I strongly disagree too. Even if you don't care, Windows remains as a horrible system. Win10 is better than previous versions but is still horrible.

It's not about forcing. It's about to convincing people. As @legacychimera247 pointed out: µtorrent for example works fine, but causes various problems over and over again. Using Transmission would offer the same functionality but less problems. Less problems are good for me and good for the other person. win-win, you know?

In reality i am not talking about pro lems in this case because i must admit utorrent works...but...transmission works the same and come with no tracking and no ads (and that's the win to me),

I strongly disagree too. Even if you don't care, Windows remains as a horrible system. Win10 is better than previous versions but is still horrible.

Windows has flaws in your opinions. But don’t exclude people for whom windows has been part of their success story. It’s like a person whose success are in PHP going to a non-php meetup for a tech that’s new to them and hearing Jokes about php

The sync can be done via rsync as you mention. My use case does not include web accessibility. This is cold storage so in case of disaster recovery I don’t mind waiting for download before I’m able to get to my data again.

Well, why not book a cheap storage box with ssh access and rsync your encrypted drive itself up?

Saying windows is bundled with a default password manager that has these flaws is much more welcoming than saying it is horrible (full stop).

Windows has flaws in your opinions. But don’t exclude people for whom windows has been part of their success story. It’s like a person whose success are in PHP going to a non-php meetup for a tech that’s new to them and hearing Jokes about php

Yeah, of course. But my flatmate has Windows PC, he uses it because of his photography work, and he curses as much as I do the system.

Yeah, of course. But my flatmate has Windows PC, he uses it because of his photography work, and he curses as much as I do the system.

i use windows for gaming and am pretty happy with it for that

also, powershell is pretty good and so is the dotnet platform

Well, why not book a cheap storage box with ssh access and rsync your encrypted drive itself up?

That’s what I’m looking at doing. Gocryptfs reverse mode makes that easy. (The drive is full disk encrypted). The interesting part becomes once data is synced to a cloud source deletion and retention are often out of your hands.

none of the popular operating systems are terrible overall

There are some apps that can easily replaced by a better one, and some not (like autocad) so since i am a nerdy one suggestions comes automatically :p

When apps can pe replaced of course

That’s what I’m looking at doing. Gocryptfs reverse mode makes that easy. (The drive is full disk encrypted). The interesting part becomes once data is synced to a cloud source deletion and retention are often out of your hands.

No, i meant just reading the entire drive image and syncing it up

So if I encrypt today with crypto X and it is broken in 10 years that data is still out there. I suspect there is no cloud answer here ...

then delta-sync changed sectors every week or so

So if I encrypt today with crypto X and it is broken in 10 years that data is still out there. I suspect there is no cloud answer here ...

And thats why you use your own server, full disk encrypt it and use curve25519-based crypt to encrypt it

Thats what i did with my nextcloud atleast XD

No, i meant just reading the entire drive image and syncing it up

That works too. However it probably means greater transfer when new photos are added. It also makes single file recovery more expensive. I hadn’t mentioned that in my use case.

And thats why you use your own server, full disk encrypt it and use curve25519-based crypt to encrypt it

Yep

That works too. However it probably means greater transfer when new photos are added. It also makes single file recovery more expensive. I hadn’t mentioned that in my use case.

In that case... Erm you can use duplicity for this.

It even has gui tools (deja-dup) and a native integration into your file manager so you can rightclick and restore deleted files or single files/folders

And yes it only does differential backups after a single full one and encrypts using gpg

(atleast duplicity does, deja-dup uses passwords for simplicity but you can set some dconf setting for it i think)

Yep. I’m thinking through minimal software dependency too. These are all good options. The space is rather large :)

And also, btw, @jflory I tried out the TigerOS ISO you linked about the other day...

Loved the well thought out additions to a vanilla Fedora install...

I actually want to make it an install, if I could get a GNOME ISO (the ones I downloaded were Cinnamon) ?? [Changing DEs is too much of a hassle for my slow internet]

Nice, glad you liked it! I thought our ISOs were GNOME by now, though. I'll have to follow up with our team on that. It might be slow progress until January since we just left our university for the holidays.

Installing fedora on ssd makes any diffrnce??

Installing fedora on ssd makes any diffrnce??

A Shitton!!

Installing fedora on ssd makes any diffrnce??

It typically does, yeah :P

Its so fast its unbelievable!!

Nice, glad you liked it! I thought our ISOs were GNOME by now, though. I'll have to follow up with our team on that. It might be slow progress until January since we just left our university for the holidays.

Sure, if it's not too much trouble, could you ping or tag me when it's done?

Dayum

But yes, installing Fedora on a non-shit ssd can lead to significant boot speedup and especially application start time.

Nice, glad you liked it! I thought our ISOs were GNOME by now, though. I'll have to follow up with our team on that. It might be slow progress until January since we just left our university for the holidays.

If they are GNOME, I'll check it out again, search for newer ISOs if I can...

Gimp can start in under 3 seconds and you easily get used to clicking the start icon twice if somehting isnt immediately available because you start to think it just didnt register it. XD

Gimp can start in under 3 seconds and you easily get used to clicking the start icon twice if somehting isnt immediately available because you start to think it just didnt register it. XD

Don't tempt meeee!

I've been holding off on getting one for so long ?

Don't tempt meeee!

I'll make you all hot and bothered by whispering NVME in your ear if you want XD

Sure, if it's not too much trouble, could you ping or tag me when it's done?

Heh, yeah, I'll try and remember! I just realized we only have an IRC channel but no Telegram group. Maybe I should fire up a bridge again.

I'll make you all hot and bothered by whispering NVME in your ear if you want XD

Oh jeez ?

250 gigs gonna be enough right??

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I've been holding off on getting one for so long ?

And if you have the possiblity to get one! Even a small one just for the system drive will be awesome.

Heh, yeah, I'll try and remember! I just realized we only have an IRC channel but no Telegram group. Maybe I should fire up a bridge again.

Thanks, man ?

250 gigs gonna be enough right??

Depends, is it only for your OS?

Will data be on anonther drive?

Os and a few applications

Heh, yeah, I'll try and remember! I just realized we only have an IRC channel but no Telegram group. Maybe I should fire up a bridge again.

And yeah, more people to the group would be nice...

Os and a few applications

Then you can go way lower.

And if you have the possiblity to get one! Even a small one just for the system drive will be awesome.

I'll be back :3

I got 1 tb hdd for media storage

If you just need OS storage go for a lower capacity ssd from a trusted brand, like samsungs' evo 850.

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/

Nice, glad you liked it! I thought our ISOs were GNOME by now, though. I'll have to follow up with our team on that. It might be slow progress until January since we just left our university for the holidays.

What is that ISO system you're talking about? I wanna try!

What is that ISO system you're talking about? I wanna try!

ISO is just what we call the format for cd images as file. :P

That file however contains the mentioned TigerOS

Nice, glad you liked it! I thought our ISOs were GNOME by now, though. I'll have to follow up with our team on that. It might be slow progress until January since we just left our university for the holidays.

Actually, I got the stable Sep build, I`ll try the devel ISO (Nov, I think) soon....

What is that ISO system you're talking about? I wanna try!

Talking about my local LUG's project to create a Linux distribution (Fedora remix) for our university: http://tigeros.ritlug.com

ISO is just what we call the format for cd images as file. :P

I know that, I'm not idiot. My question was about that TigerOS they mention. But I was in a hurry to leave for my tea.

Actually, I got the stable Sep build, I`ll try the devel ISO (Nov, I think) soon....

Keep in mind it's definitely a beta! Maybe more like an alpha. Trying it is welcome and so is feedback, but I don't know if I recommend using it as a permanent install quite yet. We haven't figured out upgrade paths yet.

Talking about my local LUG's project to create a Linux distribution (Fedora remix) for our university: http://tigeros.ritlug.com

Nice

Bit why OpenSource logo? Why not free software?

Keep in mind it's definitely a beta! Maybe more like an alpha. Trying it is welcome and so is feedback, but I don't know if I recommend using it as a permanent install quite yet. We haven't figured out upgrade paths yet.

Aight, noted ;)

Keep in mind it's definitely a beta! Maybe more like an alpha. Trying it is welcome and so is feedback, but I don't know if I recommend using it as a permanent install quite yet. We haven't figured out upgrade paths yet.

What ISO should I download? There are quite a few under "Downloads".

What ISO should I download? There are quite a few under "Downloads".

I think the development ISO is GNOME, but I have to check. I'm more like a project manager for TigerOS than a developer, so I always have to ask someone else, heheh. Let me see if I can find out the status of ISOs.

Hey @axk4545 ??

@axk4545 is the project lead on TigerOS!

What ISO should I download? There are quite a few under "Downloads".

@jflory hey, @Kohane please grab the most recent ISO by date in the name or timestamp. We will clean up the old ones soon. Keep in mind the dates are in year, month, day format

@axk4545 is the project lead on TigerOS!

??

@Kohane https://builder.ritlug.com/isos/TigerOS-devel-20171122.iso

@axk4545 next run consider a layout like https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/live-respins/

with in your case ./{{ $DATE{1},$DATE{2} }}

@linuxmodder yeah we are thinking of doing that.

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