Why not?

Broadband firmwarr

Of course I have them disabled when I'm not using them.

You cant

Of course I have them disabled when I'm not using them.

On 11 nope

What's pencil?

It is disabled.

Otherwise my battery wouldn't last.

Thats the thing, ios in the latest 11 iteration does not turn off bluetooth or wifi even if disabled.

it just disconnects

And it would be stupid to have it connected 24 hrs

Things like airpods connect auto even if yourbluetooth is off

The control center in 11 doesn't turn them off

It still is active

But I need some of them to run as sudo

Why?

What's pencil?

Apple pencil, bluetooth headphones that have been paired...

Thats the thing, ios in the latest 11 iteration does not turn off bluetooth or wifi even if disabled.

Very weird. Mine are turned off.

Why?

I like to mess with system files ?

Very weird. Mine are turned off.

You cannot really disable wifi or bluetooth since ios11. Apple disabled that.

You can click the icon and itll show disabled

it isnt

Apple pencil, bluetooth headphones that have been paired...

The only pencils I know are the ones I use for painting. Explain yourself, please.

Stylus like

Apple Pen

Like a ballpen?

What is that for?

For iPad's

iPhones

To draw, move etc

That pen looks bigger than my phone

gnome can be made beautiful and is rock fucking stable but in the end if you have your needs like root apps - just dont.

I perfectly agree in this case

I like to mess with system files ?

Here you go: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/OLNADBKABSKA55WQRLEF2CRLOI4F775D/

I have an iPhone 5s and I love it so far.

And how are you managxng it in fedora?

You cannot really disable wifi or bluetooth since ios11. Apple disabled that.

I don't care the icon. I turned it off from settings. It is turned off. When someone tried to send me something or connect with me, they couldn't, I had to turn it on and wait. Maybe they restated that feature in later updates?

Because a friend of mine bought a 7s but we weren't able to make rhythmbox recognize it

Google collected user location info even when it as turned off..

Because a friend of mine bought a 7s but we weren't able to make rhythmbox recognize it

Ofc not

And how are you managxng it in fedora?

I connect it as a device. Depending on desktop it will show, or not the files.

I don't care the icon. I turned it off from settings. It is turned off. When someone tried to send me something or connect with me, they couldn't, I had to turn it on and wait. Maybe they restated that feature in later updates?

It works in the settings app, for now.

Telegram from official website built with outdated static versions of Ubuntu 14.04 libraries with dirty-hacked Qt 5.6 and even vulnerable openssl. RPMFusion version built against system dependencies.

Oh, interesting. I didn't know this. Any functionality differences?

You need iTunes to open files

Most of the time that is

Ah, no, I don't use it with the music player. I have none in my phone. @legacychimera247

I bet that will come with another update one day. And again it does impact others sending you things, it doesnt impact earpods to connect.

Oh, interesting. I didn't know this. Any functionality differences?

"Not being hackable trough openssl bugs" sounds like one i likw

You need iTunes to open files

It's not itunes, it's icloud or the file browser.

Oh, interesting. I didn't know this. Any functionality differences?

No. RPMFusion version built against latest versions of system libraries from Fedora's repositories.

And the telegram desktop site/flatpak build often dont work together well with touchscreens

I like to mess with system files ?

I user ranger as secondary file-manager. sudo ranger works.

Because old ipod was working but we had no lack with that iphone

I use thunar

So I'm set

Google collected user location info even when it as turned off..

I always had the location turned off. Except when using maps.

Shame cause my friend wanted to return in windows then

7s uses new Apple filesystem

That's why it doesn't show up

It works in the settings app, for now.

Well. It's turned off.

"Not being hackable trough openssl bugs" sounds like one i likw

Well, that's an obvious benefit and not one I'm questioning. ? But I meant more about user space functionality.

Well, that's an obvious benefit and not one I'm questioning. ? But I meant more about user space functionality.

Not really hahah

No. RPMFusion version built against latest versions of system libraries from Fedora's repositories.

Awesome!! It will also be nice to get updates via a repository too.

I'll probably do this later today then…

I didn't know about that until now, thanks for mentioning that

7s uses new Apple filesystem

Well it shows up in shotwell and nautilus, but not in rhythmbox

Makes me sad that upstream does that, though. ?

I bet that will come with another update one day. And again it does impact others sending you things, it doesnt impact earpods to connect.

I don't have weird stuff. Just my phone and professional headphones normally plugged through 3,5mm jack.

I wish the cool open source projects would work more closely with packaging standards and guidelines in Linux distributions.

And he had bought a 256 gb just for the music

I don't have weird stuff. Just my phone and professional headphones normally plugged through 3,5mm jack.

Ah, the plain old 3.5 jack

ERROR: S client not available

And he had bought a 256 gb just for the music

Snrk, apple would allow it to do cloud sync or something i think

Good luck with that on iPhone 6s and up

But they really hate the user having control of their data

I wish the cool open source projects would work more closely with packaging standards and guidelines in Linux distributions.

Another one that bothers me (even though it obviously isn't open source) is how the Slack repos: 1. Don't GPG sign anything 2. Use fc21 in their package string

Another one that bothers me (even though it obviously isn't open source) is how the Slack repos: 1. Don't GPG sign anything 2. Use fc21 in their package string

Easy solution for that, don't use Slack ?

Ofc not

Once upon a time, I had my iPhone working with Rhythmbox and my Fedora system recognized it. But this was many moons ago… iPhone 4S

Easy solution for that, don't use Slack ?

That's easy to say if you don't have to use it.

Because old ipod was working but we had no lack with that iphone

Well, I don't know. I have no music in my phone, and when I had I didn't use it with the PC music player. I connect it once in a while as device. iPhone asks if I want to trust that PC, I say yes, and that's all my experience. A couple of times I've got to access the files, but as I don't have many, I just didn't mind much.

Obviously I'd prefer not to use it

But it's either use it or miss out on many of open source communities

Or just other communities, not open source even

Well, I don't know. I have no music in my phone, and when I had I didn't use it with the PC music player. I connect it once in a while as device. iPhone asks if I want to trust that PC, I say yes, and that's all my experience. A couple of times I've got to access the files, but as I don't have many, I just didn't mind much.

Yes asked too but didn't work

But it's either use it or miss out on many of open source communities

I prefer Mattermost really

Or even Riot for that

Good luck with that on iPhone 6s and up

There are some adapters. And if they don't work, I will have to change the device. But that's not going to happen anytime soon.

I wish the cool open source projects would work more closely with packaging standards and guidelines in Linux distributions.

Not Telegram developers. They hate Linux package maintainers.

I wish the cool open source projects would work more closely with packaging standards and guidelines in Linux distributions.

Well, that usually overwhelms the devs. I know this from multiple projects, I mean keeping track of a bunch of distros. Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, … it's a mess :/

That's easy to say if you don't have to use it.

I use Slack from Flatpak, which works quite good. And thanks to flatpak it's at least easy to remove from the system :D

I prefer Mattermost really

Me too, but there's no hosted platform for it. I'd like to use it, but I don't have a stable enough infrastructure where I'm comfortable setting it up for long-term. Also, one of the barriers I found at my university is that Slack is ubiquitous. We can get people into our open source community in Slack, but we had a hard time getting people to join our Telegram community. At US universities, I think Slack is something that is comfortable and familiar. My approach is to hook people who don't understand all the reasons and benefits of open source, and then slowly teach them in a way that won't put them off.

Or even Riot for that

Well, yeah, Riot is pretty awesome, especially now that they have Communities, which is more or less like a Slack team.

Not Telegram developers. They hate Linux package maintainers.

That's disappointing to hear. ?

Well, that usually overwhelms the devs. I know this from multiple projects, I mean keeping track of a bunch of distros. Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, … it's a mess :/

Well, I feel like for Linux, there's only two formats to standardize on. .deb and RPM. If you get those two right, then you virtually have all the widely used distributions covered.

Well, yeah, Riot is pretty awesome, especially now that they have Communities, which is more or less like a Slack team.

I agree. But they sadly still lack a bit with an easy to maintain self-hosted server version :/ But as everything is still in beta, who knows maybe it'll be awesome and easy, soon

Well, I feel like for Linux, there's only two formats to standardize on. .deb and RPM. If you get those two right, then you virtually have all the widely used distributions covered.

Yeah, people on other distros will be able to extract it and make their own installer, 99% of the time

Well, I feel like for Linux, there's only two formats to standardize on. .deb and RPM. If you get those two right, then you virtually have all the widely used distributions covered.

Seeing how other communities have done it successfully and how they're not a corporation or company with paid developers, I think Slack or Telegram could do it if they put a priority to it. But I don't think it's a priority. It's good enough for them to just get something working in a way that's convenient for them. Which I understand, and most people probably won't notice, but under the hood, it all feels so messy.

I use Slack from Flatpak, which works quite good. And thanks to flatpak it's at least easy to remove from the system :D

Whoa, nice! Have a link to share?

I agree. But they sadly still lack a bit with an easy to maintain self-hosted server version :/ But as everything is still in beta, who knows maybe it'll be awesome and easy, soon

Well, their hosted platform is excellent, on the default Matrix servers. The home server installation is tricky, though.

Yeah, people on other distros will be able to extract it and make their own installer, 99% of the time

My thoughts too. I forget what Arch uses, but I really don't think it's critical for most people to package it in the format Arch uses.

Well, yeah, Riot is pretty awesome, especially now that they have Communities, which is more or less like a Slack team.

Oh and sadly, recently I had a bad experience with Riot and the Fedora channel. I wanted Alex to join, but sicne it's just a bridge to Freenode he instantly got thrown out because only registered users. And register on IRC using riot is a mess :/

My thoughts too. I forget what Arch uses, but I really don't think it's critical for most people to package it in the format Arch uses.

it uses PKGBUILDS Which are basically fancy bash scripts

Oh and sadly, recently I had a bad experience with Riot and the Fedora channel. I wanted Alex to join, but sicne it's just a bridge to Freenode he instantly got thrown out because only registered users. And register on IRC using riot is a mess :/

Authenticating with NickServ is easy… if you know how to do it. The main issue is that it isn't intuitive for how to do that right now. I hope this improves, as it has so far over time.