Someone else noticed that the wiki search is gone?

Sure I can use the search engine of my choice with site: prefix, but I would still enjoy having an internal search ._.

How are you going to do this if you're not an Ambassador yet?

You should install the last stable version, that is 27.

And that drive has much much more than 200 GiB.

What do u mean

How are you going to do this if you're not an Ambassador yet?

All that's needed for a request is username and email. For some reason nothing worked when I was filling the form, but did when he filled it. I'm still not sure why.

What do u mean

Your drive has 4 "sda" partitions.

That means you dont have one 200 GB drive. You have a terabyte drive.

Just with 4 partitions.

Which is kind of weird.

Why the heck is it made into several partitions anyway

This is my windows 10 PC with 3 partitions.... I like to keep everything clean and simple... alo I have shrink a partition form default windows partition ...its ok right?

How are you going to do this if you're not an Ambassador yet?

i done it to him

This is my windows 10 PC with 3 partitions.... I like to keep everything clean and simple... alo I have shrink a partition form default windows partition ...its ok right?

Well, you have 4 partitions.

Delete one.

That means you dont have one 200 GB drive. You have a terabyte drive.

Yess

Which is kind of weird.

Why is that

This is my windows 10 PC with 3 partitions.... I like to keep everything clean and simple... alo I have shrink a partition form default windows partition ...its ok right?

Not really - you should ideally shrink one of the other ones.

You should install the last stable version, that is 27.

i can't download it because it is huge

Why is that

It'd be much more efficient to have one big C: and do proper folder management.

Or at most one D:

This is my windows 10 PC with 3 partitions.... I like to keep everything clean and simple... alo I have shrink a partition form default windows partition ...its ok right?

Yeah, but shrink it from Windows and then remove one to install Fedora.

More partitions will just complicate things - like the situation right now.

All that's needed for a request is username and email. For some reason nothing worked when I was filling the form, but did when he filled it. I'm still not sure why.

Weird. I wonder what was wrong....

Which is kind of weird.

Windows does that now, annoyingly

But in that case, you will need to create just /boot

Windows does that now, annoyingly

Yes but only two

But in that case, you will need to create just /boot

Not really, one / suffices.

That can hold boot as well.

i can't download it because it is huge

Fair enough. Try to upgrade before you install anything so the upgrade will be smaller.

Not really, one / suffices.

Yeah, you are right.

Yes but only two

It will display as four though, which was confusing to me. Still haven't figured out why.

But if he want to encrypt it, he will need to create /boot. Anyway, there will be no need in /boot/efi, that's the point.

It will display as four though, which was confusing to me. Still haven't figured out why.

I've done this twice in the past week, and though I even checked the Windows partitioning in the installer and the installed OS, any other OS will read it as four partitions.

It will display as four though, which was confusing to me. Still haven't figured out why.

Thats just windows fuckery

Thats just windows fuckery

I agree. Ticks me off.

Thats just windows fuckery

??

It will display as four though, which was confusing to me. Still haven't figured out why.

O_o After the installation or by default on laptops?

Fair enough. Try to upgrade before you install anything so the upgrade will be smaller.

thanks but how much data

thanks but how much data

Depending on your current install 1-5GiB.

Or more if you installed any program you got a hold of.

i will try

thanks but how much data

Well, if you upgrade right after installing, should be something around 200/300MBs.

Well, if you upgrade right after installing, should be something around 200/300MBs.

thanks bro

O_o After the installation or by default on laptops?

I think it's something to do with the way Windows sets it up to be honest. My theory is that the limit on MBR is four partitions, and so by allocating four partitions in some shape or form, there's nothing you can really do with it. ?

I can't give an exact amount because it depends on Spin/Lab you have installed and it's been a long time I don't pay attention to the download, either because I use public wifi or because I have a decent connection at home. @pyc0d3r

IIRC Windows uses pagefiles, so there shouldn't be anything like a swap partition.

thanks bro

Sis, actually. Kohane means "small feather" ini Japanese, and it's the name of a gifted girl in a graphic novel.

I think it's something to do with the way Windows sets it up to be honest. My theory is that the limit on MBR is four partitions, and so by allocating four partitions in some shape or form, there's nothing you can really do with it. ?

Interesting. When I've tried to use Win 10 (horrible 3 months, btw), I've only seen 2 usual partitions. But often when you buy a laptop, there are more of them for some recovery data.

Sis, actually. Kohane means "small feather" ini Japanese, and it's the name of a gifted girl in a graphic novel.

Oh, so it's [ko ha ne], not [ko hain]?

Interesting. When I've tried to use Win 10 (horrible 3 months, btw), I've only seen 2 usual partitions. But often when you buy a laptop, there are more of them for some recovery data.

But does it show only two partitions if you boot into something else? I'm curious. Maybe there's something else going on. Either way, it's a real pisser that this happens :(

Oh, so it's [ko ha ne], not [ko hain]?

Yes.

Ko = Little Hane/Hahne = Feather

But does it show only two partitions if you boot into something else? I'm curious. Maybe there's something else going on. Either way, it's a real pisser that this happens :(

Case 1: Installed by myself. GNU/Linux and partition software see two partitions, for C: and reserved. Windows shows only one (sometimes two, but I didn't get why) Case 2: Preinstalled (may vary). Sometimes it shows only one main partition, most likely it will show one main partition and another one — for recovery (created by vendor). By other distributions there can be shown 3 or 4 partitions: one more — reserved and fourth — have no idea what.

Case 1: Installed by myself. GNU/Linux and partition software see two partitions, for C: and reserved. Windows shows only one (sometimes two, but I didn't get why) Case 2: Preinstalled (may vary). Sometimes it shows only one main partition, most likely it will show one main partition and another one — for recovery (created by vendor). By other distributions there can be shown 3 or 4 partitions: one more — reserved and fourth — have no idea what.

Fascinating. ?

Interesting. When I've tried to use Win 10 (horrible 3 months, btw), I've only seen 2 usual partitions. But often when you buy a laptop, there are more of them for some recovery data.

My flatmate's PC has quite a neat partitioning. I think he did it himself. Which is impressive because he knows nothing about computers.

Fascinating. ?

Maybe it's a bug, then.

Case 1: Installed by myself. GNU/Linux and partition software see two partitions, for C: and reserved. Windows shows only one (sometimes two, but I didn't get why) Case 2: Preinstalled (may vary). Sometimes it shows only one main partition, most likely it will show one main partition and another one — for recovery (created by vendor). By other distributions there can be shown 3 or 4 partitions: one more — reserved and fourth — have no idea what.

What thing is "reserved"?

What thing is "reserved"?

Windows' efi boot partition

My flatmate's PC has quite a neat partitioning. I think he did it himself. Which is impressive because he knows nothing about computers.

I forgot to say: He has system and data, whatever it is called in Windows. And as external device a massive hard disk for backups.

Maybe it's a bug, then.

Updated the message.

Case 1: Installed by myself. GNU/Linux and partition software see two partitions, for C: and reserved. Windows shows only one (sometimes two, but I didn't get why) Case 2: Preinstalled (may vary). Sometimes it shows only one main partition, most likely it will show one main partition and another one — for recovery (created by vendor). By other distributions there can be shown 3 or 4 partitions: one more — reserved and fourth — have no idea what.

Oh, I saw those from Case 2.... And I always send to hell the partitions that I don't know what are they for.

Windows' efi boot partition

Windows actually has been creating it before EFI, so it is (was?) something different.

Updated the message.

Ah! Even stranger! I wonder how much this varies between legacy and UEFI installations.

Ah! Even stranger! I wonder how much this varies between legacy and UEFI installations.

No idea, didn't test a lot.

I don't blame you :P Would take a while ?

Case 1: Installed by myself. GNU/Linux and partition software see two partitions, for C: and reserved. Windows shows only one (sometimes two, but I didn't get why) Case 2: Preinstalled (may vary). Sometimes it shows only one main partition, most likely it will show one main partition and another one — for recovery (created by vendor). By other distributions there can be shown 3 or 4 partitions: one more — reserved and fourth — have no idea what.

You have no idea how much i hate vendor layouts. I mean i reinstall everything anyway but still.

Oh, I saw those from Case 2.... And I always send to hell the partitions that I don't know what are they for.

It is usable with vendor's recovery software on CDs, which are also were thrown by me :D

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Normal users actually use the winshit that comes with the pc and thats still a horror

You have no idea how much i hate vendor layouts. I mean i reinstall everything anyway but still.

Oh, yes I have...

Windows' efi boot partition

Ah. That explains why I destroyed once or twice the Windows boot....

It is usable with vendor's recovery software on CDs, which are also were thrown by me :D

Some vendors use the recovery to be bootable and be reinstallable from there

It is usable with vendor's recovery software on CDs, which are also were thrown by me :D

I never get any CD from the vendor. Not for free at least.

You have no idea how much i hate vendor layouts. I mean i reinstall everything anyway but still.

My previous laptop came with only a 32GB eMMC storage chip. Whoever the hell thought it'd be a good idea for a 12GB recovery partition in that configuration needs help. ?

Some vendors use the recovery to be bootable and be reinstallable from there

And sometimes it doesn't even work, lol

Dell laptop, btw.

First time I've ever seen such BS.

First time I've ever seen such BS.

Oh thats normal with dell.

My previous laptop came with only a 32GB eMMC storage chip. Whoever the hell thought it'd be a good idea for a 12GB recovery partition in that configuration needs help. ?

That was all the storage? 32GB?

That was all the storage? 32GB?

Yeah, BEFORE taking into account the awful partitioning.

I've seen it even in my company - action 1 was to wipe all machines clean as soon as we got them.

I've seen it even in my company - action 1 was to wipe all machines clean as soon as we got them.

Definitely seems like the right thing to do tbh.

Yeah, BEFORE taking into account the awful partitioning.

I wouldn't buy a laptop with such a tiny storage.

I wouldn't buy a laptop with such a tiny storage.

At the moment I needed something quick and cheap to last me the rest of the semester. I lived, but not happily. ?

Definitely seems like the right thing to do tbh.

Yes - but even when the lyout is "okay" and one is so crazy to be fine using windows - even then one should reinstall first. XD

Yes - but even when the lyout is "okay" and one is so crazy to be fine using windows - even then one should reinstall first. XD

Ah, true. Usually the install of Windows that comes with it, while it has drivers and bloatware ready to go, is still poorly optimized for that hardware.

At the moment I needed something quick and cheap to last me the rest of the semester. I lived, but not happily. ?

I had netbooks with that and even smaller storage. But they were provided by Public Education. I didn't pay for them. And yeah, I hated them.

The good thing about those netbooks is that they were hard as rocks. You could play football with them and still remain in working state.

Ah, true. Usually the install of Windows that comes with it, while it has drivers and bloatware ready to go, is still poorly optimized for that hardware.

I wonder why... It should be the other way around.

The good thing about those netbooks is that they were hard as rocks. You could play football with them and still remain in working state.

Not getting that thought out of my head now ?. Be free, netbooks, be free!

chromium-vaapi copr repo is removed ?

I wonder why... It should be the other way around.

I absolutely agree. A lot of this has to do with the cookie-cutter manufacturing process. Things are configured enough to work, but not always tuned to work as well as it should.

This isn't always the case, certain laptops are typically great ootb, but it's not as often as you'd hope :(

This isn't always the case, certain laptops are typically great ootb, but it's not as often as you'd hope :(

I bought a Toshiba laptop with Win8. I hated it. But it worked good with the hardware, very good actually. To be Windows. Eventually I screwed it and installed Win8.1, because of Photoshop. It didn't work as good. But I guess that's an exception. That was one of my most loved laptops really. It lasted ages with Fedora, comfy kb, sturdy, fast. Almost perfect.

The download button should give you the ISO, not the media writer ?

Yeah, that happened to me too, and it's annoying. It should be the ISO and from a separated button, Media Writer.

Fedora doesn't have a directory listing, where it list isos of several versions?

Like Debian you mean? No. It hasn't. But there are colourful buttons for you to click if you want something else that is not Workstation.

Like Debian you mean? No. It hasn't. But there are colourful buttons for you to click if you want something else that is not Workstation.

Stop, it has, this list is just hided in the bunch of links below

Yeah, I think all grandmas had one somewhere, even if they didn't use it. :-P

My grandma still uses her Singer ?

Stop, it has, this list is just hided in the bunch of links below

I see the Spins and Labs and other architectures.... Is that what you mean?