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Amarnath
23.08.2017
12:16:23
Hey guys I'm going to switch to a tilling window manager for full time , can you guys suggest some ready to go less configurable DE? Thanks

Sheogorath
23.08.2017
12:16:55
Mhm interesting... I was sure that $EDITOR is part of the POSIX standard. But no, it isn't it's only mentioned as suggestion for "not to use in your script"-environment variables.

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Sheogorath
23.08.2017
12:18:09
Hey guys I'm going to switch to a tilling window manager for full time , can you guys suggest some ready to go less configurable DE? Thanks
Go for i3wm and go through this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-S0cWnLBKg 20 minutes and your DE looks fine :)

okay, it's not for Fedora, but iirc there wasn't much difference. Only compton was a bit harder to get

Tobias?
23.08.2017
12:18:53
same thing ...
with dnf update --best --allowerasing --refresh ?

Sheogorath
23.08.2017
12:19:40
There's an article on Fedora mag too...
Right @jflory mentioned it a few days ago. Maybe he has a link or you ^^

Sid
23.08.2017
12:19:58
https://fedoramagazine.org/getting-started-i3-window-manager/ https://fedoramagazine.org/getting-started-i3-window-manager/

How to customise your Linux desktop: i3 Window Manager | ZDNet http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-customise-your-linux-desktop-i3-window-manager/

Eduard
23.08.2017
12:21:01
??

Sheogorath
23.08.2017
17:25:28
.-. sadly the wifi range is pretty limited on Suface Pro 3 + Linux x.x The wifi module driver is pretty unperfect :/

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Liam
23.08.2017
18:06:18
Oh yes. July 2014, so not a very long time ago. :-(

It's a great shame. I only wanted to help. Other distros coexist with each other, so I see no reason why RH ones shouldn't... Except that RH doesn't want them to.

norj
23.08.2017
18:11:05
Oh yes. July 2014, so not a very long time ago. :-(
Oh I thought it was a long time ago. Hope they have a different views on this now as some people would appreciate having the conveniences of dual booting and running all their distros on hardware performance, instead of vm's.

Liam
23.08.2017
18:14:12
I tried more recently with Fedora 25. The answer is no.

norj
23.08.2017
18:15:11
#UpstreamWorks
I'm glad for both linux and ubuntu community. Finally they can contribute to the upstream, which is good for the gnome project since ubuntu has large desktop userbase.

I tried more recently with Fedora 25. The answer is no.
I'm guessing the real conflict is with the windows right? Dual booting with ubuntu based and other linuxes works for me.

Justin
23.08.2017
18:17:27
I tried more recently with Fedora 25. The answer is no.
I can't speak to your experience, but from my time in the Fedora community as a non-Red Hatter, I really don't see this type of attitude encouraged and collaboration with other projects is something that's really encouraged if we can work together. Some of the community-oriented teams have people from the Arch community and then there's also a lot of collaboration with OpenSUSE too.

It makes me sad to hear that

I don't think it's representative of the attitude held by many others in the Fedora community

Liam
23.08.2017
18:18:44
No, the real problem is with other Linux distributions. The fedora installer cannot understand "complex" partitioning schemes such as a duffle home partition shared between 3 or 4 distros, or a shared swap partition, or the boot loader not being on the first hard disk... All things that _every other distro_ can do. And the team are not interested in fixing it, as it's not a problem in their view.

*a single home partition... Sorry, typing on a phone here.

Tobias?
23.08.2017
18:19:44
...1) what

2) dont, ever, follow that.

Make selinux enforcing again!

Justin
23.08.2017
18:20:21
Make selinux enforcing again!
http://stopdisablingselinux.org

Liam
23.08.2017
18:22:10
I used Red Hat Linux from version 4.0 through to version 9. Back then some of these things would have been forgivable. They were simpler times. Now, they are not. Linux achieved greatness by playing nice with Windows and every other OS. It can handle every partitioning layout and filesystem there is. But RH's attitude is "we are #1, nothing else matters." Which is why more people now use Ubuntu family distros and it is continuing to gain.

Tobias?
23.08.2017
18:23:10
Imagine, each update overwrites your grub - from a random distro you installed with maybe a version too old te recognize your shiny new one on another distro.

And the pains that come with supporting windows overwriting the bootloader on updates and other linuxes i can very deeply feel them just not supporting it.

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Liam
23.08.2017
18:25:55
I can't speak to your experience, but from my time in the Fedora community as a non-Red Hatter, I really don't see this type of attitude encouraged and collaboration with other projects is something that's really encouraged if we can work together. Some of the community-oriented teams have people from the Arch community and then there's also a lot of collaboration with OpenSUSE too.
I am not taking about collaboration with programming teams. I am talking about user experience, installing it on real machines alongside other OSes. RH is friendly towards programmers because they might contribute to RH products. Ubuntu doesn't care about that. It tries to make the best distro it can, that is as easy to install and as easy to use as it can be. Linux for ordinary human beings, not for programmers. But every sysadmin, every devops person, started off as a user playing with computers. There are far more of then than there are programmers. It's more important to be helpful and friendly to end users than programmers.

RH doesn't really care about the free users. It cares about paying customers and upstream coders. The users of free stuff are a cost. Not to Ubuntu. That's why there are about 3 Ubuntu users (including Mint) to every Fedora user.

Eduard
23.08.2017
18:37:58
I am not taking about collaboration with programming teams. I am talking about user experience, installing it on real machines alongside other OSes. RH is friendly towards programmers because they might contribute to RH products. Ubuntu doesn't care about that. It tries to make the best distro it can, that is as easy to install and as easy to use as it can be. Linux for ordinary human beings, not for programmers. But every sysadmin, every devops person, started off as a user playing with computers. There are far more of then than there are programmers. It's more important to be helpful and friendly to end users than programmers.
But Ubuntu Community is the 2nd worse in the world, to gain a place in the community and do real contribution is almost impossible, even for coders. In Fedora everything is community decided and discussed with the project, FESCo decissions like the not multi booting with other distros are always discussed, taking every comment into account. "This is not a democracy" doesn't have any space here in Fedora. And if you get too late to the discussion, and you don't take the time to research why and just rant, so I feel really sorry for you, because if you have the career/trajectory you described up there, you haven't learnt anything yet. Like the discussion about systemd again (as you mention, like all the older, change-resistent sysadmins, you don't like it).

And I talk by experience, not just like user

The ubuntu community is there for only 2 things: write in forums and do events

Будда
23.08.2017
18:38:30
experience, ph.

Eduard
23.08.2017
18:38:32
Nothing more

No for any dicussion or any decision

You can ask to all the "great ubuntu community" if they were asked to drop Unity

Even when it was a really great new to the rest of the linux world

They didn't take the community into account

RH doesn't really care about the free users. It cares about paying customers and upstream coders. The users of free stuff are a cost. Not to Ubuntu. That's why there are about 3 Ubuntu users (including Mint) to every Fedora user.
Also is really dumb to include Mint users like ubuntu users. The Mint community starts because they don't like Gnome Shell, and was even worse with Unity. They might be based on Ubuntu, but they have their own OS

Serge
23.08.2017
19:46:48
Tilix is so raw. Terminator is a couple steps beyond

Fedora (Facebook) Fancify your command line! link

Tobias?
23.08.2017
19:48:39
Tilix is so raw. Terminator is a couple steps beyond
Yes, Terminator really needs to step its game up against tilix. XD

Justin
23.08.2017
19:54:07
Feel free to drop comments with your suggestions at the bottom for other folks too

Lincoln
23.08.2017
23:11:06


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24.08.2017
00:45:54
I don't have one unfortunately.
the problem solved when i removed fastestmirror from dnf.conf

Justin
24.08.2017
01:42:30


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Justin
24.08.2017
02:00:09


Admin
ERROR: S client not available

Anakin
24.08.2017
03:30:15
“Open source is a development methodology; free software is a social movement.”

Peter
24.08.2017
04:02:22
could anybody give me some advice on how to use automatic method of network proxy in fedora 26, i search it for a while but nothing useful found,example and tutorial all are helpful , thanks a lot.

Ядерный Самосвал
24.08.2017
04:32:35
Anxhelo
24.08.2017
07:02:15
OSCAL ❤️

Gwindor
24.08.2017
07:47:14
Good afternoon, everybody.

Two good things happened today: I got a refund for that malfunctioned laptop and got a new laptop for myself. Well, "new".

Macbook Air, 13", late 2010 model, C2D 2.13GHz, 4GB RAM, 250GB SSD.

Would very probably deploy Fedora onto it, but might stick with OS X for some time, just to play with it.

Michał
24.08.2017
07:52:55
Macbook Air, 13", late 2010 model, C2D 2.13GHz, 4GB RAM, 250GB SSD.
I have a similar model, macosx is... well, not so good, but has basics working pretty nicely

Gwindor
24.08.2017
07:53:24
I almost didn't have any experience with it, so, want to get some.

What bought me in it is that it's battery is still working nice.

Michał
24.08.2017
07:54:21
I almost didn't have any experience with it, so, want to get some.
first thing to do is to install macports or homebrew so you will get a package manager, I'm using macports but I've heard that homebrew has more packages

Gwindor
24.08.2017
07:54:35
Yeah, thats what I'd do now.

Ядерный Самосвал
24.08.2017
07:55:03
Gwindor
24.08.2017
07:55:13
$230

14kRUB

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Ядерный Самосвал
24.08.2017
07:55:39
14kRUB
That's nice!

Gwindor
24.08.2017
07:56:01
Yeah, a gift, counting that I just got a 14.7kRUB refund for an Apollo Lake laptop.

Anxhelo
24.08.2017
08:13:25


$230
Good deal

Bandikoot
24.08.2017
08:27:41
nice Meta button (:

Fernando
24.08.2017
08:28:13
Strg?

Ядерный Самосвал
24.08.2017
08:28:15
Where did you get those fedora stickers from?

Anxhelo
24.08.2017
08:28:33
Strg?
German keyboard / Ctrl

Ядерный Самосвал
24.08.2017
08:28:50
L
24.08.2017
08:40:20
well that's not too long ago

Swift110
24.08.2017
10:28:13
hmm

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