Guys, a question; i use fbsd 14.1 on my headless nas, connecting to it via ssh. I am not a big VI fan, but i know the absolut basics, so i have attempted to use it to modify the config files. Maybe i dont know VI well enough, but it is terrible. I navigate to the string i'd like to modify, then i press "i" to switch insert mode, then i press "Del" to delete some characters. In some cases the character right before the one i deleted will somehow become upper case, this is annoying and i dont unddrstand why this happens. An example: if i delete the "S" in the "test" string it becomes "tEt". No idea why. Also it switches seemingly randomly between insert and non-insert mode, so i am never sure, what will happen if i press a key. I always install " mg" to be able to do basic text-editing tasks efficiently. Is "vi" really that bad, or am i doing something wrong? Why does it capitalize the characters?
This "auto-capitalize" thing is not a terminal glitch, if i save and quit and reopen the file, the capitalized letter is still there.
extrowerk
extrowerk
I use the windows terminal application and also xterm on openbsd to interact with my freebsd box. The config file contains no wide characters, only pure ASCII.
extrowerk
extrowerk
This hapens without tmux aswell
Sinchiroca
This hapens without tmux aswell
I’ve seen similar behaviour too, only in vi, not vim or gvim. So only use “x” to delete characters (for single character deletion) without entering editing mode.
Candy
Guys, a question; i use fbsd 14.1 on my headless nas, connecting to it via ssh. I am not a big VI fan, but i know the absolut basics, so i have attempted to use it to modify the config files. Maybe i dont know VI well enough, but it is terrible. I navigate to the string i'd like to modify, then i press "i" to switch insert mode, then i press "Del" to delete some characters. In some cases the character right before the one i deleted will somehow become upper case, this is annoying and i dont unddrstand why this happens. An example: if i delete the "S" in the "test" string it becomes "tEt". No idea why. Also it switches seemingly randomly between insert and non-insert mode, so i am never sure, what will happen if i press a key. I always install " mg" to be able to do basic text-editing tasks efficiently. Is "vi" really that bad, or am i doing something wrong? Why does it capitalize the characters?
I think that kind of behaviour is pretty common in vi-compatibles. It's not always supported to delete characters at all in insert mode, other than just pressing backspace on characters you've already inserted since you last pressed i. Instead you should use d or x commands in normal mode.
If you use vim instead in nocompatible mode you ought to be able to delete characters in the way you're attempting
extrowerk
Andreas
extrowerk
can I ask what you do in 9front? or is it more a proof of concept?
I have only installled and set it up so far.
extrowerk
it would be nice to be as wise as adventuresin9 from youtube. maybe one day....
Andreas
I find the OS to be very interesting.. just wish their documentation was a little better
extrowerk
I find the OS to be very interesting.. just wish their documentation was a little better
Let me quote https://drawterm.9front.org/ for you:
HELP
No.
extrowerk
I assume it means "Enjoy your stay."
Andreas
yeah - it's funny.. but.. what I mean is that there's large chunks of it missing, because the original Plan9 had pretty good docs.. so they just continued with the changes.. so it's a mish-mash spread out among like 4 different sites
extrowerk
I don't know this pain yet, but maybe I will.
extrowerk
May I ask why are you interested in 9?
Andreas
because of its elegance mainly.. true distributed computing
extrowerk
Are you interested in other uncommon operating systems like Genode?
Andreas
yes.. but that one I haven't tried
Andreas
the default hostname in 9front
extrowerk
I have just updated to 14.2 via
freebsd-update upgrade -r 14.2-RELEASE
freebsd-update install
Rebooted, and issued the freebsd-update install command again to upgrade the userland aswell. Restarted again. Now uname output shows the upgrade was sucessful, but pkg upgrade says there is no package to upgrade. I have expected many package changes, but absolutely none seems to be fishy to me. What do you think?
Gowen
Perhaps there is none compiled yet.
Gowen
You can use the 14.1 ones, between minor releases there are no ABI changes. Or you can compile from ports.
extrowerk
About ports: do I understand correctly, if I have the latest release installed, then every port what I can find on freshports.org will be available via the package manager? The exact wersion listed on freshports?
extrowerk
I have a jail with plex installed, and it is older than the one listed on freshports, still, pkg upgrade says there is nothing to update
Maxim
I have a jail with plex installed, and it is older than the one listed on freshports, still, pkg upgrade says there is nothing to update
is it using latest branch or quarterly?
X
Hi. I'm preparing to fully reinstall fbsd. Would be ok to switch to pkgbase or to use the actual way?
Денислав Димитров
Well it depends on you usecase, if possible maybe the clean way would be best
ɴꙩᴍᴀᴅ
About ports: do I understand correctly, if I have the latest release installed, then every port what I can find on freshports.org will be available via the package manager? The exact wersion listed on freshports?
Not all ports have a pkg flavor iirc. This mostly happens with newer ports that may take a little to be available as a pkg. Also, using latest branch provides quicker access to new pkgs than quarterly branch
extrowerk
ɴꙩᴍᴀᴅ
Have to check, but I suspect it is quarterly.
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/#quarterly-latest-branch
ɴꙩᴍᴀᴅ
I guess it's quarterly by default yup
Baron
wrong group
harmony5 🇺🇳 ⌤
Baron
I suppose whoever you were replying to deleted their message
I wasn't replying, I was asking something about lxqt DE here, instead of the correct group
BasedFlake
Think I figured out how to make some steam games run good under freebsd
Enlighting-man
Hi everyone, do you know any vendors for freebsd like Vultr?
Marco
Hetzner?
Marco
They kinda do FreeBSD on VPS
Marco
dedicate servers?
If you rent a KVM (it's free), but you have to verify compatibility
Marco
They don't support it ootb
Zainal
Baron
group, can a linker error in a port build be caused by a problem in base?
Baron
here is the log:
https://termbin.com/ky7l
I tried update base and port tree 3 times already and every time this port breaks
using 14.2-STABLE with poudriere
polyduekes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oE_USphb2X8&
it's joever, FreeBSD lose to linux in many of these benchmarks :(
polyduekes
and in one very badly
Jay
On mixed load Linux can't keep up
Jay
Same with writes.
polyduekes
that's why i said many not all
Maxim
also don't forget 12309
Maxim
what is that
bug 12309 of the linux kernel
basically, linux becomes severely unresponsive under load
polyduekes
bug 12309 of the linux kernel
basically, linux becomes severely unresponsive under load
well there is a similar bug for fwrite on freebsd, it was severely slow when he did fwrite tests
Maxim
well there is a similar bug for fwrite on freebsd, it was severely slow when he did fwrite tests
it's not a "similar" bug as 12309 is related to the kernel scheduler
polyduekes
no i meant similar as in the behaviour not as in the cause
extrowerk
Baron
guys a question for you that it is using pkgbase with stable branch, let put this scenario: I download a new stable iso and just after I install the OS, I configure the pkgbase repo and installed it before any other system configuration. In this case, can I just delete all pkgsave files?
extrowerk
https://ezntek.com/posts/librebooting-the-thinkpad-t480-20241207t0933/
polyduekes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWHXx_nr2L8
there recently was WG call on laptop and desktop support with many FreeBSD major contributors like the ghostbsd founder and many veteran ports commiters in case anyome is interested
polyduekes
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=283345
xfce 4.20 is just around the corner, thanks to the great work from oliver and guido :D
polyduekes
https://github.com/orgs/FreeBSDFoundation/projects/1/views/4
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15btrze2sZrprSBd3Hb3YG27cZqG0AFjcvLlcTTifpIE/htmlview
things are starting to look really bright for the future of FreeBSD desktop and laptop
Ioie
Hello
Ioie
I want to install FreeBSD alongside Ubuntu and Windows 10 which I already have installed.
I think a should Just install refind and then install free BSD on the empty partition but installing the freebsd bootloader.
Am I correct, may somebody help me with some clearer instructions
Krond
Yeah, you probably don't need refind, I'm using basic EFI functionality with registering more then one bootable OS in EFI, you just need to drop loader on EFI partition
A.
I want to install FreeBSD alongside Ubuntu and Windows 10 which I already have installed.
I think a should Just install refind and then install free BSD on the empty partition but installing the freebsd bootloader.
Am I correct, may somebody help me with some clearer instructions
It's will be greate if someone testing https://docs.zfsbootmenu.org/en/v2.3.x/
Константин
Hi all.
Who is now on FreeBSD 14.2-Release, can you check if switching between TTY consoles via CTRL+ALT+F1 to F8 works for you?
I switch, but I still have the picture from the graphical desktop, but at the same time I can enter commands into the switched console.
Those. I enter my login and password blindly, I can enter commands, they are executed, but at the same time I have my last desktop picture.
Baron
Константин
Wow, can you send a pic of the screen?
the screen will be the same as it was before entering the CTRL+ALT+F* command, i.e. my desktop with applications.
Daniel Sławek
Merry Christmas
Парса
hi. I just installed freebsd on my older laptop and now I want to upgrade to current but my host device is really weak and it takes too long to run make buildworld. Can I set up my linux machine so that I can crossbuild freebsd's src for my other laptop? if so, can someone help me with that?
Gowen
hi. I just installed freebsd on my older laptop and now I want to upgrade to current but my host device is really weak and it takes too long to run make buildworld. Can I set up my linux machine so that I can crossbuild freebsd's src for my other laptop? if so, can someone help me with that?
What have you installed? Current is develop branch. Release is the actual, formal branch and receives only patches for bugs. Stable is Release with backpatches from Current, fixing bugs and backporting some new features.
Gowen
Currente will be FreeBSD 15, Realease is 14.2, Stable is 14-Stable.