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[sanchaez] No need to constantly stress the disk

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[s_20] but you know, some perspective might be healthy from time to time.

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[Mysoft] and i didnt said stress the disk

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[Mysoft] i said to not require to cache that much

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[Mysoft] so creating smaller compact programs

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[Mysoft] taht worth the RAM space they require

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[Mysoft] not throwing 32bpp bitmaps everywhere :P

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[Mysoft] without a reason :)

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Indeed

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[sanchaez] You know that DLLs are shared?

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[Mysoft] the code part

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[Mysoft] but as i said... as long it does not need to load from disk

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[Mysoft] parts that were not used yet

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[Mysoft] it will conserve enough ram

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[Mysoft] but if you create lots and lots of dynamic allocation

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[Mysoft] those are not shared

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[Mysoft] so even if you generate a 100kb table to speed up something

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[Mysoft] that table if generated dynamically wastes 100kb per process

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[Mysoft] and if it's stored statically on a read only section

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[Mysoft] then yes it's shared

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[Mysoft] so compressed/protected programs tend to lose that benefit

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[Mysoft] luckly i think programmers realized that

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[Mysoft] and are using compressed/encrypted executables less and less often

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[sanchaez] Devs should care about algorithms and architecture, not about bits to save in RAM

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[Mysoft] lol no

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[Mysoft] devs are the ONLY ONE

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[Mysoft] that can care about saving bits

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[sanchaez] In modern times, compiler and virtual memory abstract you from it

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[Mysoft] because they know the architecture

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[Mysoft] no that's retarded

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[Mysoft] exactly because of that

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[Mysoft] they abstract you from seeing the poverty

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[Mysoft] so new devs grown without even knowing how much they are wasting

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[sanchaez] can, but shouldn't

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[Mysoft] like a spoiled children of a rich person

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[sanchaez] Only if you saving megabytes

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[sanchaez] Not bytes

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[Mysoft] you can't save mb

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[Mysoft] if you don't save bits :P

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[sanchaez] Nope I can

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[Mysoft] so if you don't care saving bit by bit

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[Mysoft] you will not see how much those bits accumulate on the end game

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[Mysoft] and worse

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[Mysoft] you become worse and worse at actually saving them later

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[Mysoft] because you have a inneficient base

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[Mysoft] it's again that excuse of "premature optimization"

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[Mysoft] that always end in "never optimization"

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[sanchaez] I can use BOOL instead of bool, but save memory on bigger structures

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[Mysoft] because later is always too late

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[sanchaez] And it's usually more wise to rely on caching to RAM instead of recomputing the same stuff again and again

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[sanchaez] It us premature when you only care about bits and not the big picture

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[sanchaez] is*

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[sanchaez] Having more RAM is a luxury of modern times and we should put it to good use

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[sanchaez] but that doesn't imply caring about bits you "waste", or memory cached by system that is released back to user when needed and other stuff

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[Mysoft] put it to good use

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[Mysoft] means using with responsability

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[Mysoft] not wasting

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[Mysoft] because bigger RAM should be used

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[Mysoft] to attain more stuff

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[Mysoft] not to allow stuff to be lazily done

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[Mysoft] as if all the ram belongs to a single application

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[sanchaez] it matters only in really tight RAM situation

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[sanchaez] Which desktops don't usually have

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[Mysoft] it's always a really tight RAM situation

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[Mysoft] requiring the stupid 64bit

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[Mysoft] is the extension of that laziness

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[Mysoft] because you waste RAM

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[Mysoft] so 4gb ends being good for nothing

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[Mysoft] so you need to waste even more with 64bit

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[Mysoft] to make up for the laziness that is wasting 10x the ram it actually required

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[gigaherz] or you can buy a pc with 32/64gb and just not care.

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[sanchaez] 64 bit is not stupid...

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[Mysoft] gigaherz which is wasteful

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[Mysoft] that's the point

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[gigaherz] sanchaez: he would use a 1bit cpu if it was feasible :P

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[Mysoft] 64 bit is totally stupid

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[Mysoft] for anything smaller than a datacenter

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[gigaherz] or high-end gaming.