[Mysoft] it's nothing

[AleRinaldi] we are developing an alghorithm to verify european digital signature. do someone from Europe (excluding Italy) have a digital signature device and is willing to send me the public part of the certificate (or a random digitally signed file) to test against it? :3

[AleRinaldi] sorry for OT again

[sanchaez] No Mysoft

[hyoenmadan] actually, maintaining legacy can be more troublesome than creating new code... and that's why MS is trying so desesperately cut with windows legacy, in a way they don't get their corporate clients too mad

[Mysoft] it's not "legacy"

[Mysoft] it's stuff that work just fine and there was no need to change

[Mysoft] also it's just harder for them because they keep adding useless new bloat

[Mysoft] "keep evolving"

[hyoenmadan] also, generally people misunderstands why ROS got blocked at NT5.2 kernel level

[Mysoft] not different than P4 trying to push the mhz limit above the maximum

[Mysoft] exactly

[hyoenmadan] isn't because team wants infinitely keep the kernel that way

[Mysoft] but the kernel itself is not the problem

[Mysoft] since there's awesome stuff on the new kernel

[hyoenmadan] is because lack skilled manpower we can't move NT6

[Mysoft] i assume that pages of kernel32.dll that are never used

[Mysoft] are not wasting ram

nt6 https://github.com/Skulltrail192/One-Core-Api

[hyoenmadan] once tkreuzer, alex, thfabba or other of the skilled devs get in the mood or find enough time to... kernel will be moved to NT6

[Mysoft] but there's a limit on how much it should be evolved

[hyoenmadan] NT6 is in the road, sooner or later ReactOS will be there

[Mysoft] because there's much garbage in the road

[Mysoft] altough i guess having an automated subset of it would end being a good idea at some point

[sanchaez] Mysoft: RAM is never wasted unless you don't cache anything

[Mysoft] yes it is

[Mysoft] using RAM for stuff that does not worth to be used is wasted RAM

[Mysoft] if people used RAM as they use money

[Mysoft] programs would be much better

[Mysoft] but then again there's people that get so much money that they again use it poorly

[hyoenmadan] DigitalSpirit: one core is tainted, we advice people don't see that code if you ever want to contribute reactos

[Mysoft] so it's not really a good comparsion :)

[Mysoft] but anyway

[Mysoft] the kernel itself is fine, but also one thing that you have to make sure to do

[Mysoft] is everything something new is introduced the existing stuff

[Mysoft] need to be perfected

[hyoenmadan] DigitalSpirit: one core is tainted, we advice people don't see that code if you ever want to contribute reactos

it can be install on reactos as on xp

[Mysoft] so that what exists is improved to require even less

[Mysoft] to make room for the new stuff :)

it can be install on reactos as on xp

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[sanchaez] Mysoft: when you have 1 USD you care about it

[Mysoft] that's a week of salary

[sanchaez] when you have 1 RUB you don't

[Mysoft] for my friend in venezuela

[sanchaez] Venezuela is not the direction we want to move forward to

[Mysoft] but anyway

[Mysoft] i don't know exactly how to like it...

[Mysoft] because the problem is not NT6

[Mysoft] but the programs made that require NT6

[Mysoft] so supporting NT6 means supporting programs

[Mysoft] that are terrible made that don't value resource

[Mysoft] i.e. QT5

[Mysoft] people that think that just because one part is small it's not significant

[Mysoft] but it is... when it's shared

[Mysoft] or... replicated multiple times

[Mysoft] like what vista did... that was using a lot of RAM per window

[Mysoft] win7 partially fixed it... but i don't know if they are still a caching windows in RAM

[Mysoft] instead of the old nice model of "redraw"

[Mysoft] or if... win7 made it better to not keep allocationg of those windows when they are not visible... or something like that

[Mysoft] but they favored .net heaviness... and allowed certain lazy XML gui stuff

[Mysoft] which is terrible... but not as terrible as having embedded applications

[s_20] i know, it's like they actually want to get things done

[Mysoft] each of them having a copy of chrome :P

[s_20] it's crazy

[Mysoft] yes it is

[Mysoft] we polluted a majority of the world with this naive line of thinking

[Mysoft] and it's just following the same line on computers :)

[s_20] programming should only be done by PhDs and people with unlimited time that can afford to optimise everything. that's what i always say.

[Mysoft] no need to be a PhDs

[Mysoft] but need responsability

[Mysoft] and unlimited time is irrelevant

[Mysoft] because better you are... less time it takes

[s_20] is it? do you have unlimited time? i don't.

[Mysoft] but if you don't try to evolve yourself

[Mysoft] always trying to do better and better

[Mysoft] then you should not be coding indeed

[s_20] no one said that

[sanchaez] Caching in RAM means that it will work faster

[Mysoft] not fast enough

[Mysoft] because then you're greedy