<b>aaron:</b> I don’t know. I don’t know X well. It’s one of my least favorite parts of the stack following the network.

<b>aaron:</b> I still haven’t recovered from my last adventure into it, and that didn’t even touch X proper. Only wscons.

aaron: (Which is broken on NetBSD too from the looks of the code. You want to port my patch over when it’s done? ;) )

XDDD

What was your "last adventure"?

Seems it was a great idea

<b>aaron:</b> Not all mice disconnect from X when they detach from the system.

Idk what you mean

What u wanted try after detach the mice?

aaron: (The consequence of this is X tries it’s best to read as many zeroes as it can from the detached device (because it still thinks it’s connected), filling up your error log and burning your CPU.)

Use the "mice pointer, or something" and make a connection to control mice?

aaron: (The consequence of this is X tries it’s best to read as many zeroes as it can from the detached device (because it still thinks it’s connected), filling up your error log and burning your CPU.)

Lol

<b>aaron:</b> More like when you pull the cable out.

There is no way to make X stop reading from device if it was detached?

https://www.netbsd.org/contrib/

<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): Well that’s what a disconnect does. The kernel drivers all detach, then X disconnects it.

aaron: (The bug being some mice, like mine, don’t disconnect when they get detached.)

you guess NetBSD will want support wayland? XD

seems nope, but...

they will still with X all life?

and what about X development?

<b>aaron:</b> When it’s done? Yes. No more than anyone wanted to support X11R6, so they jumped to Xorg within the year.

i remember one day i've read something about {we need X developers} a lot of time, while reading netbsd docs

time ago*

and X was saying wanted improve touchscreen support on newer releases and improve portability too

but X developers are writing wayland code, so...

<b>aaron:</b> That is generally at the driver level, not the X level. And I will make a guess that most X developers do not write driver code.

i can't find the page

aaron: VMS (Telegram): Well, what features would you like to see in X, what developers are responsible for that area, and what are they working on now?

Only i know the last question

XD

<b>aaron:</b> It’s easy to check the commit logs and see where they’re spending their time, and if they’ve moved to wayland.

They did

<b>aaron:</b> It’s easy to check the commit logs and see where they’re spending their time, and if they’ve moved to wayland.

aaron: VMS (Telegram): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15325226

<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): Some additional discussion. Look for Don Hopkin’s posts.

<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): Some additional discussion. Look for Don Hopkin’s posts.

where?

<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): In that url I linked you.

aaron: (The second one.)

<b>Quillasp:</b> aaron: Hi, just asking : for what reason do you prefer OpenBSD over FreeBSD ?

aaron: Quillasp: Here's the long answer you didn't ask for. Pkg-ng on FreeBSD is really nice in terms of discoverability, and general user features. However they don't `pkg in` aliased to `pkg install` (minor complaint, handled by an alias on my side), and it's still possible to get pkg-ng stuck in dependency loops on PCBSD (maybe not relevant to FreeBSD-proper). Pkg_add on OpenBSD has since caught up, and generally has all the same features in a base install, but they're spread out across the different pkg_* programs. ZFS is really nice, and FreeBSD has good ZFS support, however ZFS integration hasn't made it into base yet. OpenBSD's filesystem could use a lot of work to bring in at least checksums and snapshots, but it can get stuck in a non-repairable state still (that's what backups are for, right?)

Yeah. Sorry. My net was jocking me xD

aaron: Quillasp: In OpenBSD's favor, the base tools (who uses those, right?) are much more pleasant to deal with, and I've found for my setups, I generally don't need any configuration to get going/productive (server/desktop). Doas is a huge boon here for such a minor program. It removes a lot of the pain of dealing with the sudo config. This is a case where defaults matter. Also, everything is documented in the man pages (and they don't lie). On top of that (this *shouldn't/doesn't* have to be specific to OpenBSD), but OpenHTTPD is incredibly nice to use when compared to NGINX. It's a substantial pain to find a default minimal NGINX httpd.conf for a simple site, while with OpenHTTPD you can just pull the 5 lines from the man page (and it's probably in httpd.conf.sample.) OpenHTTPD by itself is pretty portable, but no one has gotten proper binaries floating around in other BSD ports yet because they want to tie it to libressl. (I've also been unable to compile OpenHTTPD on FreeBSD ports, so...)

aaron: Quillasp: The attention to detail/everything works by default carries over to ports/packages too. When I grab an OpenBSD package, it generally just works without any additional configuration (maybe the odd service start, but that applies everywhere.) Even a package like Firefox on FreeBSD preforms pretty terribly out of the box, and doesn't know about my graphics card (who wants 2d accelerated scrolling anyway?) So for me, it really came down to a "death by 1.000 cuts" situation here. I've cycled through most operating systems, so I can comment on others if you want too.

aaron: VMS (Telegram): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15325226

<b>Quillasp:</b> aaron: do you know how to set the keymap in the terminal ? Because there isn't the ch fr and that bother me. But that's true that the default X11 config worked out of the box quite well.

aaron: Quillasp: Swiss French don't exist, only the Swiss German. ;)

aaron: (I actually don't know, I just set all mine to enUS, but that makes it quite a pain to type umlauts...)

aaron: Quillasp: How do you normally set the keymap? Is it just missing ch fr? Because they would probably take a bug report for that.

aaron: There is a fr_CH.UTF-8 locale, but I'm not sure where keymaps live.

Try kdbmap

change keybord layout in single user mode | The FreeBSD Forums https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/5528/

Or google a bit

Must be easy just change the keymap

aaron: Quillasp: Who is .cf? Is that CAR or Swiss French? That may be the one you want.

I use ever the default map

Quillasp: cf is canadian french

US keymap is better than ES (spanish keymap) for programming

Quillasp: but apparently, it's KB_SF

aaron: VMS (Telegram): Problem is no one named the Swiss French key layout. It's not the German one, and the US one definitely doesn't work. :P

Quillasp: but I don't know if it's the right place for my answer : https://man.openbsd.org/pckbd.4

aaron: Offhand I'm going to make a comment about those names being in English...

aaron: Quillasp: But the command would be `kbd sf` then, as found via the ever descriptive `kbd -l`.

aaron: VMS (Telegram): How do you type tildas?

` this one is at number 1

And other one is near ;

aaron: VMS (Telegram): I meant like n~.

Ññ?

aaron: Aye, you can't do that in enUS.

I don't have it if i use default

But just i type n

And they know i mean ñ

<b>Quillasp:</b> aaron: that was it. How can I make it permanent ?

aaron: Quillasp: You just dump that in /etc/kbdtype.

aaron: (Specifically, the `sf`.)

aaron: Actually, kbd(8) doesn't show up in apropos for "encoding", which I think may be a bug...

Quillasp: thanks

aaron: Something in there is a bug, but I'm not actually sure what... I think kbd(8) should probably show a description of that short language name, and kbd should reference pckbd, and/or that list should be pulled out and put somewhere searchable. Quillasp, you want the honor of that bug report?

aaron: Oh, the last line of pckbd(4) is great. "BUGS: The list of built-in mappings doesn't follow any logic. It grew as people submitted what they needed.

aaron: Oh, the last line of pckbd(4) is great. "BUGS: The list of built-in mappings doesn't follow any logic. It grew as people submitted what they needed.

It isn't on netbsd the bug section

aaron: VMS (Telegram): Different platforms maintain their man pages and code differently. What's the ch fr mapping called in NetBSD land though? Is it also `sf`?

I can't see any "custom" (xD) language

Just the normal form fr es gr de...

And dvorak, colemak and declk

U used dvorak or colemak keyboard?

I should like dvorak i guess

<b>aaron:</b> I found it annoying to type on. There’s also a DVORAK coding layout.

<b>aaron:</b> Lots of finger collision on home row.

Mmm

They said me dvorak is better than qwerty

<b>aaron:</b> It’s supposed to be, but depends on your keyboard size and finger size/shape.

It was a little keyboard?

I hate little keyboards. This is why i hate laptops, and i hate more the touchscreen xD

aaron: It was a standard size on a laptop. My current keyboard is larger though. (I have long fingers.)