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.:VMS:.
23.09.2017
01:05:27
I guess netbsd developers aren't dumbs

Newnix
23.09.2017
01:07:26
Well, ideally, the package could be transferred over an insecure protocol like http/ftp and only be installed if it matched a known signature, but not all systems are set up to handle that

.:VMS:.
23.09.2017
01:07:47
So if i'm using the netbsd ftp with pkgsrc while doing pkg add will be insecure?

Newnix
23.09.2017
01:08:53
If they don't verify the package with a cryptographic signature and/or hash before installing

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[ matrix ]
23.09.2017
01:09:32
aaron: If you insist on shouting to the world everything you’re doing, and passing the message through 5 people on the way, yes it will be insecure. Do you trust every person relaying your message?

aaron: Newnix (Telegram): How about when you serve the signature over ftp from the same directory as the tarball? ;)

Newnix
23.09.2017
01:11:20
Yeah, that's the harder part of the implementation, you need to know your system has the right keys/signatures to compare against

.:VMS:.
23.09.2017
01:12:55
I know anything about security

[ matrix ]
23.09.2017
01:18:18
<b>aaron:</b> I know the security basics. I let someone else deal with that mess. I just use the system libraries for that.

<b>aaron:</b> If tedu@ wrote it, it’s probably fine.

Newnix
23.09.2017
01:20:38
Yeah, I got the basics of security down alright, but most of it is still way above my head. Though if you hang out in the OpenBSD, OPNSense, and HardenedBSD chats maybe @lattera and some of the other security guys will rub off on you ;)

[ matrix ]
23.09.2017
01:22:24
<b>aaron:</b> The majority of it comes down to reading and common sense.

<b>aaron:</b> The rest is the truly tricky bits.

.:VMS:.
23.09.2017
01:23:57
You've user xhost?

Not's about sexuri

Security. Just a remote xorg

Well it's a bit security related

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[ matrix ]
23.09.2017
01:42:07
<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): It’s just more likely that very few people have messed around with remote X outside of X forwarding via ssh.

Newnix
23.09.2017
01:48:52
I feel like I read that xhost is insecure

But, I mean, that's generally true of X anyway

Jay
23.09.2017
04:05:16
OpenBSD Errata: September 22nd, 2017 (perl)... #OpenBSD https://t.co/fCoA2uVTKg— BSDSec.net (@BSDSec) September 23, 2017 September 23, 2017 at 07:22AM via Twitter https://twitter.com/BSDSec

[ matrix ]
23.09.2017
08:46:50
[RSS Bot [@Jaypatelani:matrix.org]] Berkeley Software Distribution posted a new article: EuroBSDCon (livestreams) ( https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/71x7kx/eurobsdcon_livestreams/ )

Lain
23.09.2017
17:22:21
Sorry for the spam, but I see that this group has grown and given that the Spanish speaking community of BSD is reduced I must say: There is another group on BSD systems, it is Spanish speaking but we also accept English, you can join through this link: https://t.me/sistemasbsd

Jay
23.09.2017
17:27:12
?

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
00:41:21
bsd make https://wiki.netbsd.org/bsd_make/

basic unix programming https://wiki.netbsd.org/examples/basic_unix_programming/

I like the distros which teach you how to use an unix-like OS. Not distros which teach you about use only that distro and have uncompatible commands or configs

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
01:03:26
aaron: vms: Almost all do.

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
01:09:39
configuration examples https://wiki.netbsd.org/examples/configuration_examples/

socket programming https://wiki.netbsd.org/examples/socket_programming/

How many OS have a socket docs at the wiki?

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
01:15:14
aaron: vms: However many don't believe you have the ability to google it.

aaron: vms: You can also just read the man page on distros that provide such things.

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
01:20:00
Yeah i do too

Buy usually i need check more info than man pages if i'm learning

Man pages seems to be more a reference page

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.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
01:22:08
I guess if you make a program you should documentate it well since u are the unique person who knows how it works

So if you take a good time making a good man page should be better than have h

Just a reference man page

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
01:32:09
aaron: vms: OpenBSD documents all libraries with man pages too.

aaron: For example, man 2 bind.

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
11:12:39
Netbsd don't do that?

I'll check it later

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
12:09:00
<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): All unix-alikes should have documentation for the posix stuff. OpenBSD has a reputation for documenting the whole system so you don’t need to refer to anything else. Their example sections are generally much larger and clearer than other systems.

<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): ArchLinux and Gentoo prefer to document everything on their wikis. Ubuntu prefers a record of the question on their forums. Looks like NetBSD and DragonflyBSD like wikis. OS X tries to create man pages, but also has a knowledge base online.

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
12:18:49
https://man.openbsd.org/bind.2

http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?bind+2+NetBSD-6.0

i guess just have same page from netbsd

but u're right, cause they had netbsd man and just expanded them

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
12:49:59
[RSS Bot [@Jaypatelani:matrix.org]] Berkeley Software Distribution posted a new article: Do any of the BSD's work to replace GPL'ed software on the grounds that the GPL is restrictive? ( https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/724udi/do_any_of_the_bsds_work_to_replace_gpled_software/ )

aaron: vms: http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2017-September/010471.html

Quillasp: which of the *BSD would be better suited for laptop/desktop use ? Any or is this just a matter of preference ?

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> Quillasp: all BSDs are better .. depending on your goal and requirement and hardware support

<b>aaron:</b> Quillasp: If your hardware (graphics and wireless cards) are supported, I would give OpenBSD a shot. If not, FreeBSD (or PCBSD) would probably be your best bet.

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
14:42:30
i recommend you freebsd as a desktop

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[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
14:42:42
Jaypatelani: And finally if nothing runs NetBSD should run ?

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
14:42:50
xD

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
14:43:30
<b>aaron:</b> There’s advantages to each. ZFS is a good filesystem, even without raid usage, but there’s a higher chance suspend (and resume) will work on OpenBSD.

<b>aaron:</b> NetBSD doesn’t bring much to the table for laptops, in that if FreeBSD doesn’t already support the graphics and wireless card, it’s doubtful NetBSD will either. DragonflyBSD is sometimes a bit ahead of the game on importing Linux-DRM, so the newer Intel GPUs may work there first.

Quillasp: would the graphical support of FreeBSD 12-current be on par with DragonflyBSD ?

aaron: Depends what day it is. ;)

Quillasp: I was asking because I finally began my FreeBSD journey (this summer) and I'm always wondering which one would better suits my need, as for the moment, my current FreeBSD install on a laptop I could find works fine. Would OpenBSD be better for desktop/laptop use than FreeBSD ? Or it doesn't matter as long as the hardware is supported on both system ? (I have an old laptop)

aaron: Quillasp: I don't really enjoy using FreeBSD. And I found Firefox performance (about the only thing I care about on a desktop) is way better in OpenBSD. Also, if you're one of those strange people who uses suspend/resume, it usually works perfectly in OpenBSD if you believe the rumors. (I never tried it, can't confirm.)

Quillasp: "strange people using suspend/resume" How come ? (X I have no problem with acpiconf -s 3, on FreeBSD. But I should give it a shot on bare metal.

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[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
15:03:18
aaron: Was joking; I just have a desktop, so I never think about suspend/resume. But on linux I always had to manually type out the command, because I never got the ACPI triggers working just right.

Quillasp: Is there a list of supported laptops for OpenBSD ?

aaron: Not that I know of, but the two important things to check are your wifi card and GPU. If you've got one of those Intel chips with an integrated GPU, it'll probably be just fine, and if it's working on FreeBSD I'm going to assume you're not stuck with one of those silly Broadcom wifi cards.

Quillasp: I think my laptop with FreeBSD will work with OpenBSD. But it more about new laptop (or more recent).

Quillasp: *it's

aaron: I just check the man pages to make sure the GPU and wifi chipsets are supported before buying. As with all BSD and Linux setups, those are the two pain points. Things like SSDs just work. Someone may have a review up for newer hardware with strange motherboard features though.

Quillasp: I found this : https://jcs.org/2017/09/01/thinkpad_x1c

Quillasp: this seems nice

aaron: Yea, jcs reviews some laptops every now and then. (And sometimes patches broken bits.)

<b>lok:</b> What's difference between bsd and Linux

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.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
16:34:03
they're like cousins xD

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
16:34:04
<b>aaron:</b> At the user level, nothing. At the design/architecture level, it’s more interesting.

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
16:34:29
u can do same stuff you do with linux, usually

there are few differences like the disks labels

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
16:35:06
lok: Which are those interesting things

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
16:35:11
sd0c means whole disk

or sd0d depend of *bsd

init and make are differents

but, note a lot of stuff of linux was made in bsd

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
16:36:17
<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): Eh, wait three years and the disk labels on Linux will be different again. They’ve already changed thee times since I’ve been using it.

<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): The init system is different on every OS. Although BSDs tend to favor rcd over initd. Make is the same across them all though (unless you install some specific make like bmake or gmake.

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
16:40:13
yeah, idk how to explain with a few words the differences and no differences you can see between linux bsd

just there are few differences, but bsd aren't hard to use it

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
16:41:11
<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): Well, at the user level, a few flags are different. Beyond that, you have to be digging deep to hit them.

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
16:41:18
are a good os easy to use and more easy to install it, just the first things you will note are the slices of a disk

using dd to write something to a usb stick it's like dd if=image.wtf of=/dev/rsd0c

or rsd0d

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
16:43:15
lok: If= source?

.:VMS:.
24.09.2017
16:43:20
yeah

if input file of output file

[ matrix ]
24.09.2017
16:43:33
lok: Of=dest?

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