W3b Fly: I'm soon going to start working on a fork of the bhyve application itself to provide an all-in-one VM management solution

rather than having to rely on third-party solutions which are nothing more than shell scripts

Which perl depends is giving issue?

Webmin is wanting perl5.25 but that version does not exist. 5.24 gives error of course during make. 5.26 also errors out as well.

@W3bfly jails ?

Considering jails or just running VMware. Gotta secure BSD first. Random port scanning of ports needs to stop. Got snort / barnyard installed already. Need to see if acid can be found and installed on 10.3.

W3b Fly: I'm soon going to start working on a fork of the bhyve application itself to provide an all-in-one VM management solution

Do you have a place to look at where you are working on it already or more information on the work you want to do?

W3b Fly: is that question for me?

ah, yup... sorry, pidgin didn't properly display the question

I work on HardenedBSD, so it'll likely be part of HardenedBSD at some point of time

my first priority is to finish porting SafeStack to arm64, then I'll migrate to working on the bhyve enhancements

HardenedBSD... Interesting. Once the server is all setup should be as secure as possible. I'll have look up safestack in a bit and check it out

HardenedBSD is FreeBSD with security enhancements, so if security's your main concern, HardenedBSD wouldn't be a bad choice :)

Jaypatelani: this room is also connected to telegram channel @usebsd :)

HardenedBSD is FreeBSD with security enhancements, so if security's your main concern, HardenedBSD wouldn't be a bad choice :)

Thanks for the information. Perhaps look at the changes and can modify before make build world is done

Welcome @novelinsky

hey

Hello

aaron: Jaypatelani: https://saurvs.github.io/post/writing-netbsd-kern-mod/

<b>aaron:</b> Found that linked on the DFLY blog.

Jaypatelani: aaron: cool :)

it'd be cool to see some production use cases for netbsd's lua kernel modules

<b>aaron:</b> I'm not sure you'd see them much in production. Most folks would just rewrite to C.

yeah, you're probably right

<b>aaron:</b> There's probably some use cases in the embedded world where you don't want to leave kernel space.

aaron: (Not that any of us would be crazy enough to admit that though, of course...)

;)

Got webmin installed... Apparently webmin 1.8 needs a specific version of perl5 in order to install

<b>Horia:</b> Mine's horia@jabber.zone

jrmu (IRC): horia[m]: thanks, I will try to add it once I find/set up a stable xmpp server

<b>feld:</b> W3b Fly (Telegram): elaborate please

<b>feld:</b> The port is either wrong or we need to patch it to fix deprecated syntax for modern perl

Jaypatelani: ??

Jaypatelani: Definitely something that I would dream .

<b>feld:</b> The port is either wrong or we need to patch it to fix deprecated syntax for modern perl

If your referring to my comment about webmin errors. Apparently I had to use pkg install instead of the port. The version of perl5 available in he ports is from I read an incompatible version to webmin. If my memory serves right it was a subversion of 5.24 such as 5.24.1 or similar that was required in order for it be installed. I had hoped something as popular as webmin wouldn't require having to install via pkg and could run make via ports catalog.

Hoping tomorrow to get more of the installs done before locking down and running the buildworld and kernal. If you need more info let me know.

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@LEXOmx welcome

nothing like hacking on BSD while outdoors... feels good :)

Lol I see... And successful I'm assuming?

various degrees of success ;)

A success is still a success

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Hello! And thank you

VVelox: What shells do you all use?

VVelox: Been using tcsh for going on 17 years now and just pondering trying something different.

VVelox: pondering bash, given the various interesting addons for it and the like

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> VVelox: https://deftly.net/posts/2017-05-01-openbsd-ksh-tab-complete.html ksh :)

VVelox: hmm, OpenBSDs ksh is not in the FreeBSD ports.

Jaypatelani: Strange..

Jaypatelani: I think FreeBSD also had ksh

VVelox: It appears there are multiple versions of ksh.

Jaypatelani: I think pdksh is more closer to OpenBSD ksh

Jaypatelani: Maintened by rodrigo@FreeBSD.org on FreeBSD

jrmu (IRC): Has the Linux ecosystem become incredibly complex compared to the BSD ecosystems?

jrmu (IRC): become far more complex*

jrmu (IRC): generally on OpenBSD, I deal with the actual machines, run shell scripts, httpd (or nginx), etc. It is relatively simple and easy to understand.

jrmu (IRC): Is it common for the BSDs to be running docker, ansible, etc. all these services I have never touched nor seen the need for

Jaypatelani: jrmu: docker is not yet available on BSDs

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> I think many devs use ansible but haven't tested or needed yet

jrmu (IRC): Jaypatelani[m]: thanks for clarifying. Are these things for large enterprises, things I don't need to worry or think about, or am I falling behind the times?

Jaypatelani: jrmu: OpenBSD has vmd , FreeBSD has behyve which is I think similar to docker..

Jaypatelani: FreeBSD is being used in Facebook, watsapp and many Netflix infra so you are not behind times jrmu ?

Jaypatelani: Same goes for other BSDs they are being used in many places :)

Jaypatelani: And play station is also based on FreeBSD ? ?

VVelox: What shells do you all use?

I use zsh

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> I think many devs use ansible but haven't tested or needed yet

Yep ansible is great for managing servers

<b>aaron:</b> VVelox: I use tcsh. I think bash is finally equivalent to that and zsh now, but has a really funny license.

<b>aaron:</b> jrmu (IRC), Jaypatelani: FreeBSD has docker. It uses their Linux emulation to just run everything in jails.

<b>aaron:</b> jrmu (IRC): Docker is on par with a lot of the jails/chroot stuff that goes on in the BSD world, and/or it also gets used as a packaging service.

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> Docker still under experimental I guess https://wiki.freebsd.org/Docker

<b>aaron:</b> jrmu (IRC): As for ansible, the guys in the #openbsd matrix room all use it. That's more a flavor thing when you have way too many VMs/jails/machines, and want to rope them all together.

<b>aaron:</b> jrmu (IRC): You can do the same on Linux, nothing stops you. But the desktop on both Linux and BSD has grown incredibly complex.

<b>aaron:</b> Jaypatelani: FreeNAS was using docker to replace their wonky jailed plugin repo.

Jaypatelani: Okay

aaron: (This is mostly large enterprise stuff. Doing five boxes by hand is fine, but more than that and you start to want some kind of automation and tracking/logging, and anything else that can bring you sanity.)

aaron: VVelox: More specifically, I use tcsh as my user shell, because it has all the features I want for minimal configuration, and is portable across all the different OSes I use. I use ksh as /bin/sh for scripting. (Or whatever Linux offers.)

jrmu (IRC): Jaypatelani[m]: thank you, that helps me better follow what's going on

jrmu (IRC): M-aaron: thanks for clarifying about ansible. I guess I haven't seen the need because I don't have so many servers yet

<b>aaron:</b> jrmu (IRC): 3-4 personal computers is about the limit for when you start looking for a better way to sync your home directory and dotfiles around. For servers, just a shell script that copies home can get you pretty far.

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> https://m.slashdot.org/thread/54814693

Jaypatelani: Interesting thread

Horia: pkg engineer s use ansible and chef too

aaron: Well, that explains why NFS doesn't work for me anymore on Linux...

jrmu (IRC): anyone know if OpenBSD intends to keep perl 5 in base?

<b>aaron:</b> jrmu (IRC): In favor of what? Quite a few tools are still in perl.

jrmu (IRC): M-aaron: not sure. They seem to purge out some tools every release

<b>aaron:</b> jrmu (IRC): It tends to not be a random purge. Generally it's buggy or unmaintained garbage that gets rewritten and dropped.

HardenedBSD now publishes nightly builds for arm64 and drm-next :)

yay for being bored at work!