<b>aaron:</b> Sneaky Head (Telegram): I'm not in the security field, and I do my best to never write any code on a secure path.

<b>aaron:</b> Sneaky Head (Telegram): Aye, I know all about blackbox testing. Comes from the electrical side of things.

<b>aaron:</b> Sneaky Head (Telegram): Also, the majority of the OSX kernel and userland are open source, and freely available on their website. This excludes a few of the previously mentioned drivers, and I think the CPU drivers are being pulled in the newer versions also. Not that anyone cares about those anyway.

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<b>DarwinElf (IRC):</b> ok, so can NetBSD maybe bring in code from FreeBSD to enable me to fully use my i6770k APU CPU's GPU, so I can use two monitors for the terminal?

<b>aaron:</b> DarwinElf (IRC): More chance of that being the Linux DRM import, for what it's worth.

DarwinElf (IRC): weird

<b>aaron:</b> That's the main source of graphics these days.

aaron: (Although, the code was meant to be modular, and almost this use case.)

Hi ?

I'm back

<b>aaron:</b> VMS (Telegram): Welcome back.

I died while installing gentoo. It is installed and grub works fine. But gentoo kernel fails at boot

Anyway i've reconfigured de gentoo kernel to be able for xen and grub detected the xen image and put on menu list. So i guess i will be able to use xen anyway

aaron: Which stage of boot, and any errors?

First it was something like /dev/sda4 (root) saying its not a valid root mount. I forgot something while configuring the kernel

<b>aaron:</b> Filesystem drivers as built-ins versus modules is the most likely.

So i've tried with genkernel all later and it worked and no error reported but crashes at boot anyway

Diferent crash. Monitor shows shit like while starting Xorg mb it was because i'm using a nvidia card. So if i change it mb it works

<b>aaron:</b> That's not a kernel issue. That's an X issue. Just read /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and/or install the right drivers.

You know when starting X some cards show the last image was able to see because it remains on graphic memory

<b>aaron:</b> That's not a kernel issue. That's an X issue. Just read /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and/or install the right drivers.

No cause i can't log

Not's a X crash because i can't arrive to log

<b>aaron:</b> Ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-f1 to get a console.

<b>aaron:</b> Ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-f1 to get a console.

Nope ?

<b>aaron:</b> You don't need Xorg to log in.

Never seen that crash before

<b>aaron:</b> Disable your display manager from autostarting.

I can't arrive to shell

But i guess i will be able to configure xen anyway using chroot with the livecd

<b>aaron:</b> Use an install CD to boot yourself to console and turn off all that autostart nonsense.

I guess i've missed something while configuring the kernel

Anyway i don't wanna use gentoo. Only i wanted know how to install it

Don't like gentoo. I prefer loose my time learning about netbsd

But i don't like do middle things

Well... i like it ?

<b>aaron:</b> I really liked Gentoo. It teaches you a lot about how modern unixes work and fit together.

<b>aaron:</b> If you don't get stuck in politics, all that knowledge transfers over to BSDs and Solaris.

Yep, though moving to BSD and Illumos can be a bit confusing at first, with things like /usr/local and RBAC

aaron: Gentoo has the split system and local packages. And how often do you run into RBAC on a single user desktop/server?

<b>aaron:</b> I've never hit RBAC on smartos.

<b>aaron:</b> Newnix (Telegram): I was thinking more along the lines of the bootloader -> kernel -> init -> userland transition.

Ah, I'm talking just from administration, while things are more similar than they are different, it takes a bit of reading up on the man pages to get everything working optimally

With Illumos being built with RBAC, I wanted to work on using it instead of sudo for privilege escalation

<b>aaron:</b> Newnix (Telegram): I think administration is the least of your troubles during/after learning Gentoo.

<b>aaron:</b> Newnix (Telegram): If you can get the hang of the boot sequence, and those man pages, reading a few more on sudo/RBAC is easy.

Just discovered " xsetwallpaper "

It's only on netbsd? I'm trying to find some info and only i can find netbsd links

It's nice. Just type xsetwallpaper /path/to/image and will be your wallpaper. But not's centered and depends on image size

The code is nice for a begginer

Neat, when I have a laziness reminder, I just use feh

I thougth i will install feh. But i wished make a script like this xsetwallpaper and use it as a wallpaper while learning use xlib

now I have the code. Just i need look for a while. It's a nice and clean code so u can understand it very well

U can take it and adapt it to your desires

Anyway feh is the best

T

Best choice* it lets u use an url to show one image

I was saving those books

https://www.x.org/docs/X11/xlib.pdf

I thougth i will install feh. But i wished make a script like this xsetwallpaper and use it as a wallpaper while learning use xlib

Well, learning to use xlib can come from a variety of different places. I'm pretty sure feh uses it too, and the source code should be simple enough to read for use in your own projects. I'm doing something similar with libxml2, libcurl, and sqlite3 to work on building my own podcatcher. Pulled the sources of rssroll (iirc) as a reference.

Recommended reading http://www.netbsd.org/docs/books.html

Well, learning to use xlib can come from a variety of different places. I'm pretty sure feh uses it too, and the source code should be simple enough to read for use in your own projects. I'm doing something similar with libxml2, libcurl, and sqlite3 to work on building my own podcatcher. Pulled the sources of rssroll (iirc) as a reference.

I want use xlib cause have no dependences and it's a great and complete tool

U have input too

And you are free to do all you wish unlike using a Xlib-based library like qt or gtk

Anyway the best choice for programming with gui on unix-like seems to be qt

<b>aaron:</b> You keep saying things like "great" and "complete". I don't think those words mean what you think it means.

aaron: (TK is pretty nice, depending on what you need.)

Yeah, but I don't like gooey stuff. I'll probably stick with CLI tooling or ncurses

<b>aaron:</b> You keep saying things like "great" and "complete". I don't think those words mean what you think it means.

I mean u have a lot of stuff and more than others

Xinput comes with xorg and u'll able to get input without needing more packages

What about portable sound library?

Just sdl?

<b>aaron:</b> I'm not familiar with sound.

I don't have sound on t

This pentium4* cause auich crashes at boot so i must disable it

I'm pretty sure sdl doesn't handle sound, that'd be something like sndio, ossv4, alsa, or *shudder* pulse

<b>aaron:</b> Newnix (Telegram): I believe SDL has a sound wrapper.

<b>aaron:</b> I think OSS is the lowest level sound thing that's the most portable.

<b>aaron:</b> Probably tied with Pulse. I dunno what support for /dev/snd and stuff looks like.

What i can choose as a portable sound library between bsd - linux?

Yeah, I think alsa has support for oss, which should let pulse use it too

<b>aaron:</b> I think OSS is the lowest level sound thing that's the most portable.

So OSS

Probably, might want to check with some people that regularly work with audio to be sure though

aaron: How many BSDs have OSS support?

Netbsd seem

Seems to have a oss sub module

And i've heared freebsd drivers really are oss based but not oroginally oss

Originally*

https://t.co/F0hFNPyFru down for datacenter overhaul; daily builds offline... #NetBSD https://t.co/SZjIUcZxX9— BSDSec.net (@BSDSec) September 16, 2017 September 16, 2017 at 07:50AM via Twitter https://twitter.com/BSDSec

<b>myfreeweb:</b> VMS (Telegram): FreeBSD just fully reimplements OSS's API in the kernel

<b>myfreeweb:</b> VMS (Telegram): FreeBSD just fully reimplements OSS's API in the kernel

Idk