guest2 (IRC): #debian

guest2 (IRC): join #debian

guest2 (IRC): well

<b>aaron:</b> Wasn't a fan of it.

guest2 (IRC): strange all these people sitting in chat and not saying a w0rd

There's lot of chat if you are using bouncer or on matrix/telegram etc ?

guest2 (IRC): join #debian

No thanks ?

<b>aaron:</b> They missed the slash.

Yup

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222077 <- major ouch

Wow

Hmm

"Affects some people"

I still put my trust on Hammer as replacement in future ?

Not really related to Geli, but HAMMER is pretty exciting

I should research HAMMER

I haven't really looked into it

ZFS fits all of my current needs, so I haven't needed ot

*to

It's got some similar features, but HAMMER doesn't have native compression or device spanning, but HAMMER2 is planned to have both of those, as well as working as a clustering filesystem. It's a really fascinating filesystem to work with

Newnix: you coming to vbsdcon, by any chance?

Newnix: you coming to vbsdcon, by any chance?

Absolutely!

yay! I'll arrive tomorrow

Cool! I'm leaving after work today, probably going to be checking into the hotel sometime during the dev summit

NetBSD/i386 Supported Hardware https://www.netbsd.org/ports/i386/hardware.html

The minimal configuration for a NetBSD/i386 system requires 4M of RAM and about 40M of disk space. For a full installation (including source and X11), at least 8M of RAM and 200M of disk space are recommended.

The minimal configuration for a NetBSD/i386 system requires 4M of RAM and about 40M of disk space. For a full installation (including source and X11), at least 8M of RAM and 200M of disk space are recommended.

Awesome

Have u used zram or something like that on *bsd?

Have u seen some differences?

I haven't, I've never really seen a need for it on my installs. Of course more RAM capacity is always better, but until I start running lots of gooey stuff or start building some larger ports, even 512MB hasn't really been an issue for me

I need one ram module

Works fine with all

I have just 512 and i'm fine

Gimp works great

But i can't use firefox well

Have you tried using qupzilla? Seems to require fewer resources than firefox

Welcome Raymond to BSD , This group is about Berkeley Software Distributions BSD family operating systems. @usebsd

Have you tried using qupzilla? Seems to require fewer resources than firefox

Really i want use chromium

?

Nice introduction for a begginer at unix like programing should be shell language not?

Linux Shell Scripting Tutorial - A Beginner's handbook http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): You will want around 2-4GB of ram to use Firefox. It may work with 1GB though, as long as you don't use more than one tab, or go to google.

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): And yea, shell is fine for starting. Really, just start learning something, until you can coherently explain the benefits and drawbacks of it. Then you'll know what you want to learn next.

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): And yea, shell is fine for starting. Really, just start learning something, until you can coherently explain the benefits and drawbacks of it. Then you'll know what you want to learn next.

Ty

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> Agreed " Browser is the new OS" ???

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> Agreed " Browser is the new OS" ???

XD

Jaypatelani: It eats up lot of adverts

It works like a multimedia os really

Really*

Jaypatelani: Check surf from suck less

I use dillo

Like it

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): All languages have benefits and drawbacks to them. Each one is made for a purpose, and you should use them for that purpose. They all can be forced to solve problems in any domain, but there is no single language to rule them all.

aaron: Jaypatelani: Isn't surf just a deprecated WebKit wrapper?

But shell script is needed for me i guess

I would like learn three languages

<b>aaron:</b> No one language is needed.

C asm and shell scripting

So better start with sh ?

<b>aaron:</b> You should add more high level languages to your list.

<b>Jaypatelani:</b> > > Jaypatelani: Isn't surf just a deprecated WebKit wrapper? > Yes >

<b>aaron:</b> Python or whatever is another good starting point.

<b>aaron:</b> Python or whatever is another good starting point.

Nope i don't wanna learn python

<b>aaron:</b> Both C and assembler fall over regarding string handling and user input.

I was starting with python and jumped to C cause i feel with python u skip a lot of knowdledge i want get

<b>aaron:</b> And assembler has no typing, which severely limits it's usefulness in larger codebases.

Assembler is the hell made code

<b>aaron:</b> And if you never learn Python, you won't understand C's weaknesses.

aaron: Assembler is easy to read and write?

C weakness is it hasnt got poo

aaron: Assembler is easy to read and write?

No ?

<b>aaron:</b> It's just not very expressive. C is much more expressive, which is why it's preferred over assembler.

<b>aaron:</b> It's just not very expressive. C is much more expressive, which is why it's preferred over assembler.

Yeah

I have a bit intro of C

But i guess

It's a good idea

<b>aaron:</b> C::asm is the same distance as Python::C.

Learn C and shell scripting

Asm can't be compared with any language. Only binary

aaron: Yes it can?

Just's a translation of binary code

aaron: It's just another high level language that's easier to write than machine code (not binary.)

High level language? Are u talking about C or

ASM?

Sorry caps and flood ?

aaron: (Also, machine opcodes are normally in hex, not binary. Cause typing in binary is silly when you can express base 16 on a keyboard.)

Yeah

It's hard for me

Read hex

Hex numbers* but u must k

N

Know about hex numbers if u want be a good asm programmer

<b>aaron:</b> Meh. Use a calculator like a normal person.

<b>aaron:</b> You're better off memorizing register distance and cycle counts on your instructions.

<b>aaron:</b> Meh. Use a calculator like a normal person.

XD i've thought asm programmers study something to

Be good with hex numbers

<b>aaron:</b> No. You don't use hex often, except for bitshifting. And that's binary math anyway.

<b>aaron:</b> And you rarely manually count higher than F anyway.