Now the pc is sleeping ?

What makes netbsd so slow at starting X?

It takes a while in netbsd

No problem but i want know why

It's for hardware abstraction layer?

<b>aaron:</b> Which X are they using, and how are they dealing with xorg.conf? My guess would be some strange hardware that doesn't play nicely with that flow.

It's for hardware abstraction layer?

Xfce?

Xfce?

No

X

Doesnt matter DE or wm

<b>aaron:</b> Which X are they using, and how are they dealing with xorg.conf? My guess would be some strange hardware that doesn't play nicely with that flow.

No config

Hnm..

Just like comes by default

But it does with laptop too

It takes a while. A bit more than others OS

<b>aaron:</b> You may need/want to write out a config then.

But

Whats the difference between other distros?

<b>aaron:</b> Ask in #netbsd, or on the mailing list.

<b>aaron:</b> The less time I have to spend looking at X, the better my life is.

XD

I'm interested on X and I cry when I see wayland

<b>aaron:</b> Wayland fixes a lot of the ugly bits of X.

aaron: Would you cry less if they renamed it to X12?

?

XD

Sure

<b>aaron:</b> Because if you look at the team, it's mostly the Xorg folks.

Not sure what causing long start time

<b>aaron:</b> And in my opinion, there is nothing interesting in either Xorg or wayland. They're both a necessary mess.

<b>aaron:</b> Because if you look at the team, it's mostly the Xorg folks.

Yeah but i guess i don't need wayland. They say X have a lot of old code. But are they needing free space?

<b>aaron:</b> By old code, they mean stupid code paths.

<b>aaron:</b> And in my opinion, there is nothing interesting in either Xorg or wayland. They're both a necessary mess.

On what are you interested?

In*

Lol idk if in or on ?

In i guess

?

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): If your interest is in how to make a graphics stack that you can bolt 30 years of random hardware onto terribly, then maybe X11 will interest you. But there's not much in there that can't be gleaned from reading a few whitepapers.

Idk how to explain it but i like go to closest choice. I like know it all so i go ever to hardest things and those things force me to learn a lot

But

I want learn X. I will spend all

All my life learning X and when i have good knowledge X will be death

Jaypatelani: Lol

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): I encourage learning, but blind reverence is silly.

Yeah but on graphics peogrammkng

Fuck sorry ?

On unix graphics programming are two choices: X and wayland and derivatives like qt

Seems qt is the best choice

But I would like learn how goes X rather than qt

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<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): I think you may have your layers a bit confused.

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): QT, GTK, tkinter (as in tcl/tk), etc are GUI/widget toolkits that sit on top of X/wayland, and give you access to buttons and stuff.

<b>aaron:</b> You use those for building applications.

I know

But that's just i don't want

<b>aaron:</b> They wrap raw X primitives to do the drawing for you, but result in widgets, not canvases.

I want know how works not how use a lib

<b>aaron:</b> OpenGL and X/wayland give you a canvas and some basic primitives.

Anyway i can decide later if i will foxus on X

<b>aaron:</b> OpenGL and X/wayland give you a canvas and some basic primitives.

Opengl no please ?

I don't wanna die

<b>aaron:</b> I think OpenGL is cleaner than X primitives.

aaron: (I haven't looked at wayland primitives, but it doesn't seem to have stopped anyone from porting their window managers over.)

<b>aaron:</b> I think OpenGL is cleaner than X primitives.

Really?

<b>aaron:</b> I think OpenGL is cleaner than X primitives.

O guess nope

I*

<b>aaron:</b> OpenGL has it's own set of stupid quirks.

Never seen about opengl

Just a bit and i was scared xD

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): You're digging through the garbage here, looking for gems. All your going to find is one lump that's less ugly than the other lumps.

I want knowledge. But i want this knowledge will be usefull

Useful*

I must decide

If X or wayland

<b>aaron:</b> If you want a graphics stack that's less ugly, go look at metal or vulkan.

<b>aaron:</b> Or the FB driver.

No. I want use the library with lesser dependencies

So will be wayland or xorg

Xorg haves a lot of dependences

But are installed on most of computers not like wayland

I want portability in unix systems

<b>aaron:</b> You can install XFree86, they have the least dependencies. Xorg just took XFree86 and broke all the drivers off into their own modules.

And wayland is fucking cause no portability but will kill X so i'm forced to use wayland in future

aaron: Why isn't wayland portable?

<b>aaron:</b> You can install XFree86, they have the least dependencies. Xorg just took XFree86 and broke all the drivers off into their own modules.

The goal is

Use something it will be on all unix-like computers

aaron: Use the frame buffer kernel driver then?

All unix like computers are using xorg and have it

aaron: Use the frame buffer kernel driver then?

I wish learn asm ?

Really i want learn asm. But step by step

I feel i'm not prepared yet to learn asm. But i guess i will

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): Normal people just use a graphics abstraction library to handle the differences between X and wayland and coregraphics. I suspect a pure X and wayland comparability library would be rather tiny.

aaron: You can use the framebuffer driver from C?

Idk how use framebuffer driver

aaron: The same way you use X? Reading the manual and the API?

But seems interesting see at least what is

See*

<b>aaron:</b> .:VMS:. ? (Telegram): Also, this isn't a religion. You don't marry a graphics stack. If you don't like it, just move on.