matt
without all other UNIXes driving adoptions or providing useful usage informations and cross-usability between commands all other UNIXes will be already dead in the water.
An OS is only useful if it teaches you valuable lessons.
matt
this is why there has been little to no deviation from the standard UNIX ideology between derivative OSes.
Chungy
well okay
Chungy
Linux distributions already exist that "get away from" unix concepts
Chungy
Guix, Nix, Gobo, and Android are all examples of such.
Chungy
ChromeOS as well
Mike
Guix, Nix, Gobo, and Android are all examples of such.
Android has a lot of design quirks that really make me mad. Looks like someone decided in their office what you should do with your phone, where and how. It's plain stupid.
Mike
Google has become a monster
Chungy
Indeed. Still stands that it's a fairly not-unixy Linux distro
Matrix Telegram Bridge
hbelusca Z[J]=∫𝒟𝜑 exp(ⅈS[𝜑,J]/ℏ): the fact that they still try to have a posix compatibility layer of sorts tells something...
Chungy
talking Microsoft I assume?
Anas
Does windows 8.1 perform the same or worse than windows 7 on the same hardware?
Camarada Gato
In my opinion, if your PC is so slow that you have to choose between versions of Windows and cannot satisfactorily run the latest version of the operating system, there are only 2 solutions.
1) Install Linux or FreeBSD.
2) Change PC.
Matrix Telegram Bridge
hacker420: it's not even about slow sometimes
Matrix Telegram Bridge
hacker420: it's just that you might not want the crap that comes with other versions
Alejandro Jeditobe
Does windows 8.1 perform the same or worse than windows 7 on the same hardware?
It is better and faster, but only if you have proper drivers installed (specially made for 8.1)
Anas
I mean I remember playing Assassin's Creed 3 and Tomb Raider 2013 on my fresh install of windows 8.1 back in 2014, the fps was all over the place and it was difficult to play but I had played games like that all my life so it didn't bother me that much. But then I downloaded a virus while doing something online and had to wipe the HDD and install what I had on hand, on disc; windows 7 ultimate. Then I installed the same 2 games and I started from the beginning and was immediately blown away by how good both games ran on the settings that I used to play with on win8.1. So I never went back to windows 8.1
Alejandro Jeditobe
It is all about the drivers and updates
Anas
Oh
Anas
So maybe I didn't install the required drivers on 8.1?
Alejandro Jeditobe
So maybe I didn't install the required drivers on 8.1?
It may happen that you were using generic ones
Camarada Gato
I mean I remember playing Assassin's Creed 3 and Tomb Raider 2013 on my fresh install of windows 8.1 back in 2014, the fps was all over the place and it was difficult to play but I had played games like that all my life so it didn't bother me that much. But then I downloaded a virus while doing something online and had to wipe the HDD and install what I had on hand, on disc; windows 7 ultimate. Then I installed the same 2 games and I started from the beginning and was immediately blown away by how good both games ran on the settings that I used to play with on win8.1. So I never went back to windows 8.1
You are probably experiencing a lack of RAM memory.
If so, buying new modules is cheap if you don't have quality Apple® standard or tablet hardware.
Camarada Gato
On the gaming side, I can't give too many guarantees for Linux, although there are nice front-ends for Wine that manage to do things I thought impossible.
matt
Does windows 8.1 perform the same or worse than windows 7 on the same hardware?
it performs as good as windows 7 with every single GUI animation turned off
amelia
well, Windows 8.1 is still in support until June of this year, and some versions of Windows 10 are supported until 2025
I thought it was killed a couple months ago
amelia
embedded is different
matt
for most third party software yes, for direct microsoft upgrades no
matt
windows 7 refugees are still the main reason why developers still support windows 7
Camarada Gato
it performs as good as windows 7 with every single GUI animation turned off
I could be wrong, but I believe animations and window effects nowadays have a negligible impact on modern hardware.
The problem is more in those hardwares from the time when the graphics processor was on the motherboard.
Certainly the problem will be even more serious on a graphics card that was not made for anything other than displaying a 32-bit color image, or worse.
matt
windows 7 refugees are still the main reason why developers still support windows 7
this is also a boon for windows 8.1, but I believe that this won't actually last long
matt
I could be wrong, but I believe animations and window effects nowadays have a negligible impact on modern hardware.
The problem is more in those hardwares from the time when the graphics processor was on the motherboard.
Certainly the problem will be even more serious on a graphics card that was not made for anything other than displaying a 32-bit color image, or worse.
because most hardware is now powerful enough to handle every single effect, lowering down animation frames still gives you a tiny boost in speed
matt
the CPU pipeline will be far less busier trying to process every single icon animation frame
matt
it can refocus itself doing more meaningful tasks
Camarada Gato
One thing I don't really like about Windows is that it doesn't automatically scale process priorities well.
Like, I think more CPU-intensive activities should have their priority level lowered in favor of more click-through interactivity.
When I run Prime95 for example, I see that Windows stutters just because it uses 100% CPU.
When I use stress-ng to force all cores on Linux, the computer responds as if nothing is happening, the only thing I notice different is the fan spinning faster because of the CPU heat.
matt
I do dislike the fact that microsoft is abbandoning it's commitments to support as many devices as possible
matt
in this case, they are forgetting about people that are still on weaker harware in favor of those that are using far stronger hardware setups (including gamers).
matt
this is gonna be hurting them in the long run because they are shooting themselves in the foot by declaring war on underpowered hardware, they are a business after all
Camarada Gato
Yes, I also think that Windows lacks optimization and efficiency.
It is not normal for an operating system to consume around 2 GB of RAM just to function and provide an interactive shell for the user.
Camarada Gato
Currently, my biggest struggle with macOS is interpreting Mach's virtual memory management statistics.
Camarada Gato
amelia
Currently, my biggest struggle with macOS is interpreting Mach's virtual memory management statistics.
macOS has rewritten a lot of mach components
amelia
check xnu source from opensource.apple.com
amelia
https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu/tree/xnu-8792.81.2
amelia
macOS 13.2 source
Camarada Gato
macOS has rewritten a lot of mach components
I understand, but the funny thing is that the recommendation of the tutorials to see the memory consumption by the terminal is the vm_stat command, which is what I'm showing in the print.
This would be something like free, but for some "jenial" reason it's described in number of pages instead of bytes.
matt
once everybody stops supporting windows 8.1 I will be moving to using wine on freebsd
Camarada Gato
once everybody stops supporting windows 8.1 I will be moving to using wine on freebsd
For me, Wine on Linux is already a reality.
I just need to remember to create a user just to run suspicious code. haha
(this also includes changing the permissions of my user's directory, to prevent other users from easily accessing it without other security holes)
Camarada Gato
Yes, I'm the only one using the computer, but who said 1 user only needs 1 user?
matt
wine will have already matured quite a bit by then. maybe reactOS will have the opportunity to become the most feature-full windows alternative that keeps every single good thing about previous versions of windows while also being pretty light on resource usage by default.
Camarada Gato
I know it's boring and redundant to say this, but for me, as long as ReactOS doesn't have an SMP kernel it's just a toy for testing in a virtual machine.
matt
I've foud a software container application called “bottles” that pretty much works like wine
matt
I wonder if it will run on freebsd, I still have tons of experiments to make before I can make freebsd my default OS
Camarada Gato
I'm not trying to detract from the work of the ReactOS developers, I know you're doing something difficult.
matt
I believe freebsd has taught me some lessons regarding UNIX
matt
probably this is one of the most important lessons in the long run
Camarada Gato
Tell more.
matt
you cannot target a file with spaces without specifying “ ”
matt
you have three files
Camarada Gato
you cannot target a file with spaces without specifying “ ”
On Linux there is the less elegant alternative, using escape characters for spaces.
Example:
touch file\ name
matt
cheese
matt
and burger
Camarada Gato
matt
and burger
if you don't specify “cheese burger” while trying to delete this file, the OS will instead delete the other two files (“cheese” and “burger” separatelly)
Camarada Gato
matt
yes, maybe during my own freetime
Camarada Gato
This is a personal opinion and from a layman's perspective it could be totally wrong, but I consider Linux to be the most robust and sophisticated kernel out there.
This does not mean that distros are perfect, of course there are problems with using the desktop, limitations on the number of programs for certain areas, but I think that Linux is one of the best (if not the best) in terms of managing computing resources .
matt
yes, every tool is good as long as it does it's job well
Camarada Gato
My main criticism of the Linux ecosystem is the instability of the transition from X.org to Wayland.
I also find it a problem that the kernel panic doesn't overlap with what was displayed on the window system.
matt
my main criticism of freebsd is that it's hard to diagnosticate problems
Matrix Telegram Bridge
roshope: Discussing *nix is a sin in the ReactOS church, please don't
matt
my main criticism of freebsd is that it's hard to diagnosticate problems
man pages can help, but you have to think outside the box
matt
roshope: Discussing *nix is a sin in the ReactOS church, please don't
church of reactOS and the latter days open source saints
matt
(joke) I'm an heretic
Anas
You are probably experiencing a lack of RAM memory.
If so, buying new modules is cheap if you don't have quality Apple® standard or tablet hardware.
Thanks. After those years, I upgraded the PC to the fullest I could. I installed a Core 2 Quad Q9550 (the most powerful CPU for LGA 775), then got 8GB of RAM and before all that I got GTX 750 ti. Then ran Windows 10 LTSC until it died in 2020 after a power surge during a lightning strike
Camarada Gato
Anas
I used to think I was gonna download ReactOS one day and get the performance I could out of it or something