Linux fanboys are now trying hard to take down ReactOS

Not me :D

Linux fanboys are now trying hard to take down ReactOS

But I am Linux fan

Linux fanboys are now trying hard to take down ReactOS

not me either

well you know what I mean, those crazy fanboys who hate ReactOS

they have no enough power to take down Microsoft, but they can try it with us

they have no enough power to take down Microsoft, but they can try it with us

I hope they wount be able?

they have no enough power to take down Microsoft, but they can try it with us

You mean all those hard #btwiusearch guys?

You mean all those hard #btwiusearch guys?

never heard about this hashtag 😅

I hope they wount be able?

I hope too

what I actually mean, persons of this kind already appeared several times in community

never heard about this hashtag 😅

I hope too

ReactOS can't replace Linux. Linux can't replace ReactOS

ReactOS can't replace Linux. Linux can't replace ReactOS

Imho, reactos and Linux are like a bike and a car. They both have reasons to exist, there are thing which you can do with both of them, there are things which one does better or worse than the other. It's up to the user to choose the best tool for his needs, exactly like he chooses to go by bike or by feet or by car

Imho, reactos and Linux are like a bike and a car. They both have reasons to exist, there are thing which you can do with both of them, there are things which one does better or worse than the other. It's up to the user to choose the best tool for his needs, exactly like he chooses to go by bike or by feet or by car

(yes, for me everyone can use whatever he likes, as long he respects other people's freedom to do the same and doesn't cause security or productivity problems)

well you know what I mean, those crazy fanboys who hate ReactOS

do you really think they would actively try to take down reactos?

do you really think they would actively try to take down reactos?

Unfunny trolls and haters? Absolutely

Tempting? xD https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-xp-source-code-leaked-online-on-4chan-out-of-all-places/

It's a trap!!

do you really think they would actively try to take down reactos?

yeah, from now on they will be more active than in the past

no problem, i know how to deal with them

This is not for copying, but for studying and understanding the device, in order to make it better.

Pretty much, i didn't even know microsoft did that

It's a trap!!

Yupp xD

The auditory idea is... Something that should be take in account. Parsing the files and looking into every single functions. Obviously, without the DDK because it should be the same that microsoft liberates.

I’m sure that they didn’t enjoy doing it the first time & wouldn’t like to relive that experience. It took quite awhile. And the whole time, no actual development was being done, so no new releases were made...

I think it's better to look at an example of what has already been done and think about how to improve it, rather than invent something from scratch, with the possibility of inheriting errors.

Well, the law says otherwise.

Well, the law says otherwise.

I didn't talk about breaking the law. I only suggested studying this material for a better system construction.

I didn't talk about breaking the law. I only suggested studying this material for a better system construction.

I don’t think you understand. Even studying the DDKs & using the info there for ReactOS is a legal minefield.

More just straight up illegal

Yes, you just can't legally study this

I don’t think you understand. Even studying the DDKs & using the info there for ReactOS is a legal minefield.

any tool can be used for both good and harm. if you just study the example of implementing the interaction of components, improve and implement in your own way, then this is good. you can just see the direction, but go your own way.

any tool can be used for both good and harm. if you just study the example of implementing the interaction of components, improve and implement in your own way, then this is good. you can just see the direction, but go your own way.

Apparently, you’ve never dealt with Microsoft’s lawyers, nor the legal system in general. Have at it...

Yes, you just can't legally study this

maybe I'm not good at international law

Apparently, you’ve never dealt with Microsoft’s lawyers, nor the legal system in general. Have at it...

Yes, I didn't have to. I am very sad today that I have used their products since version 3.11. if I had known them at that time, I would have spent more time studying alternative systems. in any case, I don't plan to use their products at all since version 10.

maybe I'm not good at international law

the code wasn't released by microsoft for other to create other operating systems, it cannot be studied by other developers who are trying to build a competing operating system

Apparently, you’ve never dealt with Microsoft’s lawyers, nor the legal system in general. Have at it...

* at the time of version 3.11, I was a kid and I thought that people just want to make this world a better place.

* at the time of version 3.11, I was a kid and I thought that people just want to make this world a better place.

Then, we’re close in age. I’m 42. I started with DOS. Later, I got Win 3.0

Then, we’re close in age. I’m 42. I started with DOS. Later, I got Win 3.0

Yes, I also used dos, at that time hard drives were very expensive and my first computer worked exclusively on floppy disks)

The code leak doesn't come with any license. There is no right to have it, look at it, distribute it at all. If Microsoft actually licensed it in a way to allow study (or reuse), it'd be a different story, but that didn't happen. Do not go anywhere near this leak.

And neither talk about the third party modules like Intel Drivers or others, ia64 things and looot of this kind of things. That not only involves Microsoft, also Intel or others.

#reactosmemes 🐦

#reactosmemes 🐦

😂😂😂

Now ReactOS can have compatible code and move faster in development! https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsxp/comments/iz46du/comment/g6gwcpo

...no

can we just start banning people that even suggest this?

The ReactOS project had to stop development & do an entire code audit to ensure that they hadn’t inadvertently received any actual Microsoft code, years ago. No one wants to have to go through that again. The project isn’t even remotely interesting in this.

Oh

Linux fanboys are now trying hard to take down ReactOS

What? How?

Imho, reactos and Linux are like a bike and a car. They both have reasons to exist, there are thing which you can do with both of them, there are things which one does better or worse than the other. It's up to the user to choose the best tool for his needs, exactly like he chooses to go by bike or by feet or by car

Perfect explanation

can we just start banning people that even suggest this?

Yes

Now ReactOS can have compatible code and move faster in development! https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsxp/comments/iz46du/comment/g6gwcpo

Why exactly do you think that this is beneficial for the project? Do you not understand what intellectual property is & how even looking at that code could destroy the project?

i imagine those people have little to no braincells at all

Now ReactOS can have compatible code and move faster in development! https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsxp/comments/iz46du/comment/g6gwcpo

scroll up please :p

and look up how react development works

Why exactly do you think that this is beneficial for the project? Do you not understand what intellectual property is & how even looking at that code could destroy the project?

The source code has become public knowledge now, even though it is intellectual property, anyone in the world can look at the source code, create compatible code, but will not be able to use the original source code!

The source code has become public knowledge now, even though it is intellectual property, anyone in the world can look at the source code, create compatible code, but will not be able to use the original source code!

Look, if you don’t understand how the law works, then keep your advice to yourself. It’s not public knowledge, it’s fruit of the poisonous tree. If it’s proven that anyone who’s submitted code to the project has even looked that that code, it’s enough to legally shut the entire project down. And once that happens, no more ReactOS.

Why exactly do you think that this is beneficial for the project? Do you not understand what intellectual property is & how even looking at that code could destroy the project?

Now i understand, reactOS have to reverse engineer its code, and no windows copied code is allowed to work with this project

Now i understand, reactOS have to reverse engineer its code, and no windows copied code is allowed to work with this project

No one who’s even looked at window source code can submit code to the project without putting the project in danger.

No one who’s even looked at window source code can submit code to the project without putting the project in danger.

Understood.

The source code has become public knowledge now, even though it is intellectual property, anyone in the world can look at the source code, create compatible code, but will not be able to use the original source code!

and be instantly sued for copyright infringement

the only possible way for ReactOS to use Windows code, is for Microsoft to release it under a GPLv2 compatible license (and most of their releases have been MIT, which is compatible)

eg, if the project wants to, it can include the original File Manager without issue. https://github.com/microsoft/winfile

Look, if you don’t understand how the law works, then keep your advice to yourself. It’s not public knowledge, it’s fruit of the poisonous tree. If it’s proven that anyone who’s submitted code to the project has even looked that that code, it’s enough to legally shut the entire project down. And once that happens, no more ReactOS.

I know how the law works, the law works for those who have money and influence, but this is different from the tropics, each country has its laws, nothing prevents the creation of compatible code, if the source code was not released, it would have problems, but now anyone in the world can see the source code, it is not possible to filter every dev who saw or not the source code, this is impossible. What is really dangerous is oracle vs google judicial dispute, that will harm if oracle wins!

I know how the law works, the law works for those who have money and influence, but this is different from the tropics, each country has its laws, nothing prevents the creation of compatible code, if the source code was not released, it would have problems, but now anyone in the world can see the source code, it is not possible to filter every dev who saw or not the source code, this is impossible. What is really dangerous is oracle vs google judicial dispute, that will harm if oracle wins!

It doesn’t matter if you can’t filter everyone to see who’s looked at the code. That’s completely irrelevant. All that’s relevant is that Microsoft only needs to prove that 1 person looked at the code & submitted code to the project. Just one. That’s all it takes to kill the project. Once again, I highly doubt that the project wants to be shut down. So, please stop trying to kill the project.

and be instantly sued for copyright infringement

I'm not talking about using microsoft source code, but about creating compatible code, as the ReactOS project already does, only looking at how the original microsoft code works, without using it.

I'm not talking about using microsoft source code, but about creating compatible code, as the ReactOS project already does, only looking at how the original microsoft code works, without using it.

There is a thing called clean room reverse engineering and what you describe is the opposite of it

eg, if the project wants to, it can include the original File Manager without issue. https://github.com/microsoft/winfile

Is the file manager from 3.11?

Is the file manager from 3.11?

specifically, NT 3.51, but yes

It doesn’t matter if you can’t filter everyone to see who’s looked at the code. That’s completely irrelevant. All that’s relevant is that Microsoft only needs to prove that 1 person looked at the code & submitted code to the project. Just one. That’s all it takes to kill the project. Once again, I highly doubt that the project wants to be shut down. So, please stop trying to kill the project.

I'm debating, what can happen, whether you like it or not, it doesn't depend on me, it's good that people understand, what I'm talking about can happen!

I'm debating, what can happen, whether you like it or not, it doesn't depend on me, it's good that people understand, what I'm talking about can happen!

This isn’t a debate. The project doesn’t want the code.

What will happen if anybody uses the leak: the ReactOS project is shut down into oblivion.

There is a thing called clean room reverse engineering and what you describe is the opposite of it

I’m not sure why he’s not getting it.

There is a thing called clean room reverse engineering and what you describe is the opposite of it

I know that, but now with the "release" of the source code, it may have made it more complicated to do now!

Nope.

This isn’t a debate. The project doesn’t want the code.

Of course it is a debate, no one so far is inserting microsoft source code into ReactOS now, we are talking about possibility, nothing concrete has been done so far!

Of course it is a debate, no one so far is inserting microsoft source code into ReactOS now, we are talking about possibility, nothing concrete has been done so far!

And no one is going to, because the project doesn’t want it -for exactly the reasons that have already been listed by various people. I’m not sure why you even keep bringing it up. No one cares, because no one wants to see the project get shut down.

See also: how much good will and development time was destroyed the last time someone tried pulling a prank insinuating that ReactOS developers had illegal access to Windows source code, in exactly the same manner you are suggesting. It halted the project for a few years and tons of good developers were lost

And no one is going to, because the project doesn’t want it -for exactly the reasons that have already been listed by various people. I’m not sure why you even keep bringing it up. No one cares, because no one wants to see the project get shut down.

You keep denying the fact, that I said it can happen, nothing prevents microsoft itself from paying a dev to insert code in ReactOS or Wine, you cannot guarantee that it doesn't happen or whoever saw the source code try to do a PR on the jira or github , now the ReactOS team needs to consult a legal expert, to know the impacts on the ReactOS project, with the disclosure of the source code. You are not helping, I'm talking about real things and problems, none of this has happened yet, but it can happen!

See also: how much good will and development time was destroyed the last time someone tried pulling a prank insinuating that ReactOS developers had illegal access to Windows source code, in exactly the same manner you are suggesting. It halted the project for a few years and tons of good developers were lost

This serves as experience, it is necessary that team Reactos consult a legal expert, to know the impacts of the disclosure of the source code!