T'so considered ext4 to be a stopgap measure to keep it running until btrfs became ready. he didn't forsee btrfs dying like it did.

For everything needing high storage capacity, basically ZFS is the way to go

wait btrfs died? i heard its still getting updates......

It's dead, Jim

It hasn't caught up with disk/volume size requirements very well. Being limited to 16TiB for example. Limited to 64KiB xattrs, ACLs are bolted on through xattrs rather than being a native feature

hmm interesting

All the conpanies developing it basically bailed out, went with ZFS instead. btrfs has very serious design flaws that can't be fixed in a backwards-compatible manner.

wait btrfs died? i heard its still getting updates......

Unless magic, BTRFS is so dead that it wouldn't even be used for mission critical stuff

It has as couple features ZFS doesn't have (defrag and shrink), and then either doesn't do or does-worse in every other thing.

ZFS did gain a limited form of shrink this year, so that's nice.

All the conpanies developing it basically bailed out, went with ZFS instead. btrfs has very serious design flaws that can't be fixed in a backwards-compatible manner.

ah i see

I only see a problem for ZFS right now : it consumes quite a lot of RAM honestly, but it's just the design of the fs by itself

everyone became afraid of doing backwards-incompat changes when Linus complained about his laptop becoming unbootable because for whatever unholy reason, he decided to actually use btrfs

I only see a problem for ZFS right now : it consumes quite a lot of RAM honestly, but it's just the design of the fs by itself

That's cache. not "design"

everyone became afraid of doing backwards-incompat changes when Linus complained about his laptop becoming unbootable because for whatever unholy reason, he decided to actually use btrfs

welp

I wish that meme would die :)

I wish that meme would die :)

Linus's laptop doesn't store that many files thankfully, He might even have changed from Fedora to something else since Fedora's BTRFS implementation is well, not stable enough

There was nothing about it that is related to Fedora.

purely kernel changes.

Fedora doesn't do anything with btrfs. No distro does.

the meme I'm talking about though is "zfs needs a lot of memory"

welp do you also know something about zfs's license? i heard one reason distros are still on ext4 is due some ambiguities

the meme I'm talking about though is "zfs needs a lot of memory"

Oh yeah, it's still true, hence why ZFS is recommended for server use, and not personal use

No, it's not true.

Exception for if you enable dedup. Otherwise ZFS consumes the same amount of RAM that ext4 does.

welp do you also know something about zfs's license? i heard one reason distros are still on ext4 is due some ambiguities

Well, Ubuntu can use ZFS since 19.10, Fedora and derivatives does, Debian doesn't have it (yet)

Exception for if you enable dedup. Otherwise ZFS consumes the same amount of RAM that ext4 does.

Well, dedup is when ZFS shines honestly

welp do you also know something about zfs's license? i heard one reason distros are still on ext4 is due some ambiguities

Yeah, it was released under the CDDL and many consider it to be GPL-incompatible (some say otherwise, including Canonical who are now including it in the Ubuntu installer)

Well, dedup is when ZFS shines honestly

It really isn't.

Ask any ZFS admin, their #1 rule is "don't enable dedup"

(I am one)

Well, Ubuntu can use ZFS since 19.10, Fedora and derivatives does, Debian doesn't have it (yet)

Debian has had ZFS for a few years. Learn to research before spouting claims like this.

what does dedup do to consume so much ram?

dedup requires it to hold the entire dedup table in RAM so that it can compare blocks to determine whether to apply it to them or store a new block.

ah hmm

dedup requires it to hold the entire dedup table in RAM so that it can compare blocks to determine whether to apply it to them or store a new block.

Then it doesn't increase performance, but reliability and resilience

Debian has had ZFS for a few years. Learn to research before spouting claims like this.

I very happily run a few Debian servers and desktops with ZFS with just the repo packages :)

It's pretty frequent that people ask IRC whether they should enable dedup. Or they put themselves in a world of hurt for enabling it. In general, people don't have that much duplicated data. It kills performance (at best) for very little gain. Enabling compression goes a lot further.

You either know you need it, or you don't need it. There isn't any middle ground with "Should I?"

hmm interesting

Does anybody know how to see the text cursor in Libreoffice or Abiword in ReactOS?

sounds like a bug

Graphical bug?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-11-13/microsoft-apocalypse-proofs-open-source-code-in-an-arctic-cave

Also ReactOS?

<hbelusca> Also, anyone for writing an open-source NT-compatible ZFS ? (edited)

https://openzfsonwindows.org/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-11-13/microsoft-apocalypse-proofs-open-source-code-in-an-arctic-cave

Checkmate, Apple

No I don't have UEFI, only good old Phoenix BIOS

Just like a friend, i’ve suspected that his just recently repaired netbook which doesn’t have UEFI, but misfortunately yes, i don’t see the words boot mode or UEFI, then his netbook must be legacy BIOS However, my 2 laptops both have UEFI and needs to be upgraded the SSD to GPT using gdisk, one even needs BIOS to be upgraded

What's not the same thing?

ROS is an open-sourced Windows replacement under GPL, and the devs just aren’t writing their trash down😊

ROS is an open-sourced Windows replacement under GPL, and the devs just aren’t writing their trash down😊

True? Hmmm i think i'm confused again.....

https://www.reactos.org/wiki/Welcome_to_the_ReactOS_Development_Wiki

Hello, i can not open the window that let change TCP/IPv4 values. Its not a clean installation, it have some updates. Some idea about how access it? Some direct command line option?

ncpa.cpl works ok but not properties button that do nothing.

Intel ends the drivers support for Windows 7 and olders. November 22th

<hbelusca> Then just

<hbelusca> https://i.imgflip.com/3gud43.jpg

Intel ends the drivers support for Windows 7 and olders. November 22th

F

Am not gonna upgrade family's laptop

Intel ends the drivers support for Windows 7 and olders. November 22th

Well, no surprise... MS stopps making w7 for w7 starting Jan 2020... 😊

Well, no surprise... MS stopps making w7 for w7 starting Jan 2020... 😊

No. They are still making updates for at least 2027, same lifespan as XP

However they aren't available as the standard channel, else you need to buy them

Yeah, well for Mr. John Dow Sixpack it's 2020.

Yeah, well for Mr. John Dow Sixpack it's 2020.

And as a standard end-user, you can POSReady 7 until 2023

Didn't someone in here say that for win7 posready would not be that easy (and free, of course) to implement as it was for XP?

Didn't someone in here say that for win7 posready would not be that easy (and free, of course) to implement as it was for XP?

Well, Windows 7 's update system is flawed when Windows 10s isn't, and 8.1 is still an okay compromise

Well, for me, w7 is my last windows. If I can posready it, nice "hacking" fun, but I'll be leaving for unix.

Well, for me, w7 is my last windows. If I can posready it, nice "hacking" fun, but I'll be leaving for unix.

Me too, but hey, enterprises need Windows for some machines

One thing is the ending of the support, and other thing is to delete all the drivers in their web... Really painful

<Cernodile> are you talking for sake of talking again? you've repeated this for 100 times already in last few months

i think we can answer this one for ourselves already

Me too, but hey, enterprises need Windows for some machines

A new kind of "me too" movement... 😀

Well, for me, w7 is my last windows. If I can posready it, nice "hacking" fun, but I'll be leaving for unix.

I’ve fully left Windows for UNIX and my final Windows was W10 in their first year

<Cernodile> are you talking for sake of talking again? you've repeated this for 100 times already in last few months

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/exception-handling-x64?view=vs-2019

lol

running on electron shit lmao

I was thinking greentea but yea Electron is an abomination too

I was thinking greentea but yea Electron is an abomination too

greentea isn't even in active dev anymore

I don't think it ever was.

I don't think it ever was.

well there was only one dude working on the project just to say he's anti ROS