Honestly? I find it unlikely to ever happen.

Why unlikely productional?

Why are you here? What are your intentions? What do you expect?

I expect a full-featured and libre Windows replacement that all things are working out-of-the-box

ReactOS is chasing a moving target, has very few devs (and unwilling to support NT6+). Hardware support is barely there and is going to be diminishing as it becomes very rare to have stuff with XP/2003 support.

It's a neat hobbyist project but I don't really see it going too far. For an open source desktop, Linux + Wine is far more mature with far greater hardware support.

ReactOS is chasing a moving target, has very few devs (and unwilling to support NT6+). Hardware support is barely there and is going to be diminishing as it becomes very rare to have stuff with XP/2003 support.

> and unwilling to support NT6+ They are not unwilling 🙂 Just one does not simply support NT6+

It will require to change a lot of things

Maybe it has changed, but around 2-3 years ago I heard a direct statement saying that NT6 won't be done and it will stay at 5.2 "forever"

There is a lot that can be done to support userspace programs, but if driver support never goes beyond... it's basically caput.

It's a neat hobbyist project but I don't really see it going too far. For an open source desktop, Linux + Wine is far more mature with far greater hardware support.

I was a Wine user but found it too hard to be got configured🤔

and just on manpower: ReactOS has around 6 people working on it. Versus hundreds on Wine and thousands on MS Windows itself.

I was a Wine user but found it too hard to be got configured🤔

usually you just run programs. Most stuff doesn't require configuration :P

and just on manpower: ReactOS has around 6 people working on it. Versus hundreds on Wine and thousands on MS Windows itself.

Thats a problem, true. But how do you want to change it? Talking about it changes nothing

Thats a problem, true. But how do you want to change it? Talking about it changes nothing

Indeed

There are many ways to accelerate development: 1. Become a contributor/programmer 2. Donate to the project 3. Spread the word about project among friends and other people, not only in the Internet but also IRL (so more interested people could join the community, and help in points 1 and 2)

Teaching others with little tutorials to begin undertanding and developing little things.

Teaching others with little tutorials to begin undertanding and developing little things.

That's a good option too

and just on manpower: ReactOS has around 6 people working on it. Versus hundreds on Wine and thousands on MS Windows itself.

But also FreeBSD/KDE also just has few people, but you see KDE 5 is full-featured on FreeBSD platforms

There are many ways to accelerate development: 1. Become a contributor/programmer 2. Donate to the project 3. Spread the word about project among friends and other people, not only in the Internet but also IRL (so more interested people could join the community, and help in points 1 and 2)

On the german news article webseite heise.de each ROS version has its own article and the comments and the commentators disagree on whether you need ReactOS and what you need it for. Some users are very good at pointing out that ReactOS is great for niches like industrial applications, or at home for legacy things like old PCs or scanners.

Thats a problem, true. But how do you want to change it? Talking about it changes nothing

You just need dedicated people :P

But also FreeBSD/KDE also just has few people, but you see KDE 5 is full-featured on FreeBSD platforms

Not correct comparison, because KDE is just a desktop manager 😏

Comparing with an OS with kernel and a bunch of other components is just incorrect

Both those projects are magnitudes larger than ReactOS

Both those projects are magnitudes larger than ReactOS

what

what

KDE and FreeBSD? They have dozens of people working full-time, each.

KDE and FreeBSD? They have dozens of people working full-time, each.

Ok, thats what you meant

Yeah, manpower, not scope

FreeBSD has similar scope

By example, i know how to make some simple programs but i am unable to handle system code.

By example, i know how to make some simple programs but i am unable to handle system code.

++

Without guided learning its imposible for me.

FreeBSD has similar scope

The big difference is that FreeBSD is unix based and you can see/use some/all of the source code. You cannot do that with Microsofts code

Mind that Unix was once every bit as proprietary as MS Windows. The OS design doesn't dictate license or source availability :P

See the code it is not enought if you dont know other things.

Not correct comparison, because KDE is just a desktop manager 😏

@venomlinux by @emmett1 also almost just has himself, Calligra and some other KDE apps are missing, just the Plasma shell 5 and KF5 are full The similar Linux distro (both are LFS-based), NuTyX, also just has few people, but they already have almost everything full

Mind that Unix was once every bit as proprietary as MS Windows. The OS design doesn't dictate license or source availability :P

In the 70s... and free distros raised when? Late 90s and you can really use them with a desktop enviroment since >2000 So the projects needed more than 10 years and got more and more devs because there was no alternative. If you do not want to use Win 10 today, simple use Linux or BSD. There is already an alternative, thats why ROS is so unpopular, its only a niche software.

By example, if you see code about paralel port and you dont know how it works and its registers dificultly you will undertand too much.

KDE and FreeBSD? They have dozens of people working full-time, each.

But the FreeBSD/KDE core members are just few people, and also almost all the KDE people are wokring very much on FreeBSD platforms just like Linux

Other op systems other teams other communities.

You cannot compare hard reverse engineering (with reverse engineering the bugs) with implementing new software

anyway, if you do feel passionate about ReactOS go ahead and develop it. I don't have personal interest. It is fascinating in a sense, but I much prefer Linux land :)

ReactOS is nicely working actually comparing when i began using it first time a lot of years ago.

But the FreeBSD/KDE core members are just few people, and also almost all the KDE people are wokring very much on FreeBSD platforms just like Linux

ReactOS have nothing from Linux, it was built totally from scratch

also one of my killer features, OpenZFS, actually has an alpha-stage port to Windows and maybe it would get ported to ReactOS some day. Would be a big plus. :P

anyway, if you do feel passionate about ReactOS go ahead and develop it. I don't have personal interest. It is fascinating in a sense, but I much prefer Linux land :)

Then I do not understand why you are discussing with us

GNU and Linux are a pretty successful example of a reverse engineered OS. Linux in particular was called by Linus to be a "not very serious project, won't go anywhere" in 1992 :P

ReactOS could have the same turnaround.

https://youtu.be/5tADL_fmsHQ

Maybe it has changed, but around 2-3 years ago I heard a direct statement saying that NT6 won't be done and it will stay at 5.2 "forever"

Bs

<hbelusca> maybe that statement had been done by Mysoft xD

Most likely

<hbelusca> maybe that statement had been done by Mysoft xD

Nah, it was one of the actual developers.

I probably could find the name but it's probably better that I don't.

I probably could find the name but it's probably better that I don't.

https://reactos.org/wiki/User:Petr-akhlamov/Compatibility_mode#NT_6.0_API_support I think thats what you meant...

It isn't

Then there never was an official information about it. I am following ROS since 0.4.0

It was a developer that swore the kernel would never become NT6+

Indeed, it was a statement on irc.

It was a developer that swore the kernel would never become NT6+

Maybe because he thought/thinks its very difficult and ROS could not achive it

Indeed, it was a statement on irc.

How official is an "statement" in IRC?

If it is not on the website or the wiki and is verified, it is not official, it is only a devs opinion

You should understand that such things do not speak well of the health of the project. I do honestly hope that he isn't in charge of decisions anymore. Another thing from the time: he was taking a hard stance against ReactOS getting off SVN. That it actually happened is a good sign.

You should understand that such things do not speak well of the health of the project. I do honestly hope that he isn't in charge of decisions anymore. Another thing from the time: he was taking a hard stance against ReactOS getting off SVN. That it actually happened is a good sign.

I never used SVN but it existed/exists since a long time and people in general dont like to change things. Thats why Windows users dont want to change to macOS/Linux/BSD/ROS etc.

Especially when the gist of it was "Vista sucks, therefore NT6 never"

I think you are stressing this one comment from IRC too much

It was a large conversation but sure :P

He's not even on IRC right now. Maybe not part of the project anymore.

Especially when the gist of it was "Vista sucks, therefore NT6 never"

https://reactos.org/project-news/reactos-048-released With software specifically leaving NT5 behind, ReactOS is expanding its target to support NT6+ (Vista, Windows 8, Windows 10) software.

Totally not what I was talking about, stop trying to guess :)

I was talking about the kernel.

Windows 7 is NT 6.1

Windows Vista SP2 = Windows 7

Windows Vista SP2 = Windows 7

Can you take a screenshot of the ver command in the "cmd.exe" interpreter, to prove it?

Windows Vista SP2 = Windows 7

No

<Cernodile> Windows 7 is a whole new kernel version, 6.1, while Vista is 6.0

<Cernodile> even at SP2

Windows Vista SP2 = Windows 7

Wrong... i messed up with Server 2008 R2

<Cernodile> Windows 7 is a whole new kernel version, 6.1, while Vista is 6.0

True

Who want to run windows mobile 5 on qemu?

Windows Mobile 5? It actually gives good memories back...

It that even possible?