[hyoenmadan] isn't really integrating the browser, but integrating the webpage render library

[hyoenmadan] anyone can just supply chrome or ffox bundle and call it done

[hyoenmadan] but the fun is integrating the engines at the level of libraries

[Mysoft] yup

[Mysoft] i know :D

[hyoenmadan] and tie them into MSHTML and friends :-)

[Mysoft] but since it's lot of work... would be nice to see it being implemented with a browser that is surprising in quality :)

[Mysoft] so it's just some idea for the future

[Mysoft] at some point i will learn a bunch about MSHTML itself

[Mysoft] because i will try to implement it's dependencies to have IE11 on XP

[Mysoft] it's A LOT :P

[hyoenmadan] i guess no one in team has done really any work in this aspect of the Win32 foundation

[hyoenmadan] it was just imported from wine

[hyoenmadan] probably as it was

[Mysoft] i guess

[Mysoft] it's seldom used anyway

[Mysoft] mostly it's annoying when used

[Mysoft] so it's totally understandable :P

[hbelusca] hyoenmadan: our ie code? yeah that's 100% wine.

[hyoenmadan] so would be a good project for anyone wanting a real challenge

[hyoenmadan] <hbelusca>: as i thought ;-)

[Mysoft] and wine is using gecko right? but an older version

[hyoenmadan] yep

[Mysoft] prior the new cypher adoption (altough maybe that's unrelated... asi t could be still using bcrypt and etc...)

[mjansen] and we are on an older gecko

[hyoenmadan] yeh, is understandable... back before was already a challenge bending gecko to work as an MSHTML core and bend it more to support a subset of ActiveX

[hyoenmadan] i guess this was done mostly by codeweavers devs

[hyoenmadan] for their Crossover product, and then backported to Wine

[Mysoft] i guess at some point

[Mysoft] it could end being faster if i was to make a new browser

[Mysoft] and right from 0... tune in to also work as MSHTML replacement

[Mysoft] :P

[hyoenmadan] heh, good luck doing an HTML engine from scratch

[hyoenmadan] as you saw, not even MS did that

[Mysoft] well i feel it's necessary :)

[hyoenmadan] not even Apple

[Mysoft] because nobody did

[Mysoft] except NetSurf...

[hyoenmadan] you can trace HTML legacy to NSA Mosaic

[hyoenmadan] writte for the NextStep OS

[hyoenmadan] *written

[Mysoft] i'm already working on some HTML compiler for my site

[Mysoft] so the code for that will more or less serve as base if i was to start such a huge project

[hyoenmadan] At some point, NeXt ditched Mosaic and wrote their own HTML engine to incorporate it to their programming and application framework

[Mysoft] but at brightest sight it would be a project to be started in mid 2019

[Mysoft] but frankly up to HTML 3 or so

[Mysoft] there was many people making their own HTML engines

[Mysoft] like those browsers you have on non windows OSes (including DOS)

[hyoenmadan] Caldera Arachne?

[Mysoft] yeah

[Mysoft] unless those are somehow tied to Netscape for any reason

[hyoenmadan] that was just an anecdotal try from SCO

[Mysoft] i also don't know the true origin of opera

[Mysoft] and presto...

[hyoenmadan] hmm... i guess was written by Caldera with some Novell code and ideas

[hyoenmadan] yeh, i dunno about presto too

[hbelusca] ahhh, Caldera Arachne, the good old times....

[hbelusca] .... when I was wondering how on Earth one could draw graphics when one was on DOS.

[hyoenmadan] but today requirements for an HTML render engine are magnitude more complex than these old days

[hyoenmadan] that's why no one do that anymore

[hbelusca] (I was like 11 years old when I discovered it, at the same time I discovered DR-DOS, Caldera version).

[hyoenmadan] isn't Mozilla new developments written in Rust?

[hyoenmadan] *aren't

[hyoenmadan] <hbelusca>: heh, the same... but i was more impressed how you could do pseudo GUI interfaces in "text mode"

[hbelusca] like norton ghost?

[Mysoft] if mozilla new browser were cross compatible

mozilla is transitioning to rust

[Mysoft] it would be really nice and a new chance for them

Firefox is a mix of C and Rust right now

[hyoenmadan] <hbelusca>: that's actually a gui interface... pseudo gui's are more like

[hyoenmadan] http://thestarman.pcministry.com/tool/de/PTSdeD1.gif

[Mysoft] but giving how bas firefox became when they started doing Rust into firefox

[Mysoft] i don't think i has a future :P

hyoenmadan: VGA font hacks :D

[hyoenmadan] yep, norton ghost doesn't look like GUI, but is really a GUI... their toolkit ooks a bit oldish but it is

[hyoenmadan] the same for partition magic

[hyoenmadan] and Paragon disk utilities suite

[hyoenmadan] x86corez: yep, font hacks, and a different screen mode

[hyoenmadan] http://www.operating-system.org/betriebssystem/bsgfx/drdos/drdos-702-scr-16.jpg (drdos "gui" setup tool)

[hbelusca] exactly :D