David
But I use Delphi for 20 years .😂
Nomid Íkorni-Sciurus
wat xD
Ajay
/warn
David
I'm telling the truth, c++ is very bloated now, you have to accept this fact and improve it.
David
Don't warn me.
Anonymous
I'm telling the truth, c++ is very bloated now, you have to accept this fact and improve it.
Your first statement is that C and C++ have no future. This is not truth, because:
1) You use software which is written in C and C++ everyday — starting with OS, embedded devices (such as payment terminals at any store), ending with search engines, maps, etc
2) Some software even if it wasn't written in C or C++, runs with a help of C++ — JavaScript and Python interpreters are written in C/C++. Rust, C# Mono, Kotlin Native and other compilers use LLVM to produce efficient code (LLVM written in C++)
Now about second message:
1) C++ is bloated — ok, but no one forces you to use the WHOLE C++ — you can use a subset of C++ you are comfortable with.
2) C++ is improved every 3 years — ISO committee releases new standards of C++ which make it more modern and safe
And yeah, every language has its issues
NXiss7
Your first statement is that C and C++ have no future. This is not truth, because:
1) You use software which is written in C and C++ everyday — starting with OS, embedded devices (such as payment terminals at any store), ending with search engines, maps, etc
2) Some software even if it wasn't written in C or C++, runs with a help of C++ — JavaScript and Python interpreters are written in C/C++. Rust, C# Mono, Kotlin Native and other compilers use LLVM to produce efficient code (LLVM written in C++)
Now about second message:
1) C++ is bloated — ok, but no one forces you to use the WHOLE C++ — you can use a subset of C++ you are comfortable with.
2) C++ is improved every 3 years — ISO committee releases new standards of C++ which make it more modern and safe
And yeah, every language has its issues
That's just the beginning...
Most "professional grade" software written in C++ too, like AutoCAD, Blender, SolidWorks, NX and any big "thing" you can think of.
NXiss7
Any "serious" thing is written in C/C++.
Libs like Tensorflow are written in C++ too they just have Python bindings for easy data usage etc.
David
Your first statement is that C and C++ have no future. This is not truth, because:
1) You use software which is written in C and C++ everyday — starting with OS, embedded devices (such as payment terminals at any store), ending with search engines, maps, etc
2) Some software even if it wasn't written in C or C++, runs with a help of C++ — JavaScript and Python interpreters are written in C/C++. Rust, C# Mono, Kotlin Native and other compilers use LLVM to produce efficient code (LLVM written in C++)
Now about second message:
1) C++ is bloated — ok, but no one forces you to use the WHOLE C++ — you can use a subset of C++ you are comfortable with.
2) C++ is improved every 3 years — ISO committee releases new standards of C++ which make it more modern and safe
And yeah, every language has its issues
We are now discussing "Which development language will be good". According to the current optimization and improvement of C/C ++, the effect is not obvious. A lot of C / C ++ pitfalls have not been resolved. For example, the current C/C++ syntax is very bad, not as elegant and familiar as C#.
Like Lambda expressions, don't you find it ugly?
Anonymous
We are now discussing "Which development language will be good". According to the current optimization and improvement of C/C ++, the effect is not obvious. A lot of C / C ++ pitfalls have not been resolved. For example, the current C/C++ syntax is very bad, not as elegant and familiar as C#.
Like Lambda expressions, don't you find it ugly?
There are no other way to do lambdas in C++
1) implicit captures are error-prone
2) even if there were implicit captures, how would you capture it? By value, by reference, or move it to lambda?
Again, your statements work against you — you do not understand C++
NXiss7
We are now discussing "Which development language will be good". According to the current optimization and improvement of C/C ++, the effect is not obvious. A lot of C / C ++ pitfalls have not been resolved. For example, the current C/C++ syntax is very bad, not as elegant and familiar as C#.
Like Lambda expressions, don't you find it ugly?
What?!
I love the C++ syntax, including lambda (I use it a lot).
And C# is uglier to me
Anonymous
C# lambdas are easier, yes
But it is because of language semantics
David
I have also used the c / c ++ language for many years, but we have to face the shortcomings of c / c ++.
Anonymous
C# lambdas are easier, yes
But it is because of language semantics
C++ has different semantics which does not allow this lambda syntax
Anonymous
Rose who created you🤔
Dima
Lol
David
C++ has different semantics which does not allow this lambda syntax
I suggest everyone to read this book (Matthew Wilson's book, Imperfect C++, published by Addison-Wesley in 2004.). After reading it, think carefully: The C / C ++ Standards Association has made several changes to the C / C ++ language over the years. Then after each modification, C / C ++ was in trouble, and many people couldn't learn it at all, and it was too difficult.
Anonymous
David
YES, I am very serious.
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
And still recommended
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
It's C++20
And bjarne didn't even publish a book about C++17
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
They are just books
Novice needs to know basics and all of these new features can be gathered in practice days
David
I don't think that C ++ 20 will make C / C ++ better, but for many people it will be worse.
Anonymous
C'mon this argument should be done with already!
Anonymous
I don't think that C ++ 20 will make C / C ++ better, but for many people it will be worse.
It is your right to think this, do not think for other people
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
I don't think that C ++ 20 will make C / C ++ better, but for many people it will be worse.
Really?
I wanna know why
Dima
Dima
because I have my own coroutines
Dima
only good feature is modules though
Dima
coronaroutines lmao
Dima
bruh
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
C++23 will be the real improvement of C++
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
Lol
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
Reflection
Modular std
Pattern matching
Epochs (maybe)
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
This is totally enough
Dima
please, no, please no reflection
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
Wtf?
Dima
is it c#?
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
Do you rather stuck with this endless stupid macros?
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
Or move on?
Anonymous
Reflection
Modular std
Pattern matching
Epochs (maybe)
Pattern matching in C++? Can you give a link to the proposal?
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
Pattern matching in C++? Can you give a link to the proposal?
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2019/p1371r1.pdf
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
It's really wonderful
Anonymous
do you think it will be in C++23?
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
do you think it will be in C++23?
There is already a library for pattern matching for C++17
But it's just in the level a library
Not a core part of the language
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
https://github.com/mpark/patterns?files=1
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
Francisco
I really want pattern matching in the language
NXiss7
I have also used the c / c ++ language for many years, but we have to face the shortcomings of c / c ++.
Their purpose of uses are different. The moment you leave memory management off to language C++ looks just like other languages.
The "shortcomings" you mention are all (well almost always) consequences of managing memory by yourself.
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
I really want pattern matching in the language
Yeah
Very reliefing
I once had to implement a simple xml parser library, but when I hit the part where I had to deal with std::variant and std::visit, I cancelled the show
I mean
It's pain
NXiss7
I suggest everyone to read this book (Matthew Wilson's book, Imperfect C++, published by Addison-Wesley in 2004.). After reading it, think carefully: The C / C ++ Standards Association has made several changes to the C / C ++ language over the years. Then after each modification, C / C ++ was in trouble, and many people couldn't learn it at all, and it was too difficult.
Well, I think C++ 11 is a game changer.
I'm talking about C++ 11 (and sometimes later) by default.
Francisco
Yeah
Very reliefing
I once had to implement a simple xml parser library, but when I hit the part where I had to deal with std::variant and std::visit, I cancelled the show
I mean
It's pain
I also think variant and visit should be part of the language itself,and not a library addition
Francisco
I don't know how, but they should be, as everything around it is really convoluted (like std::bind when tallking about lambdas)
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
I also think variant and visit should be part of the language itself,and not a library addition
Really?
Why is that?
They'll just make the language more complex
Unless std::variant replaced enum
NXiss7
bruh
Yeah, and compiler support
I don't know if latest Android compiler supports C++ 17 and don't affect me much.
I stick with C++ 11 which is well implemented and "works everywhere".
Francisco
Really?
Why is that?
They'll just make the language more complex
Unless std::variant replaced enum
Do you think adding lambdas to the language is adding complexity, instead of getting stuck with std::bind? That's my point. I don't how, but it can help
MᏫᎻᎯᎷᎷᎬᎠ
Hmm
You got a point
Рома
Help plz !!!
How I can initialize two dimensional array by another one
void GausMethod(double Matrix[SIZE][SIZE], double X[SIZE])
{
double dTempMatrix[SIZE][SIZE];
dTempMatrix = Matrix;
FindTheHighestNumber(Matrix, X);
PrintMatrix(Matrix, X);
}
Рома
Or initialize each element of an array separately?
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Igor🇺🇦
Help plz !!!
How I can initialize two dimensional array by another one
void GausMethod(double Matrix[SIZE][SIZE], double X[SIZE])
{
double dTempMatrix[SIZE][SIZE];
dTempMatrix = Matrix;
FindTheHighestNumber(Matrix, X);
PrintMatrix(Matrix, X);
}
You can try this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29375797/copy-2d-array-using-memcpy
Ahmad Mirza
hai
ZukiZest
14•08
Yeah no one perfect in programming but we attain excellence