hmm.

We dont know too much about fedora sorry

I'll try fedora soon

Anybody using fedora cinnamon , cinnamon comes with MDM or gdm ??

Ah. I get it. But I think it would be clearer next time if they share the info of why they are sharing it too..

She or he maybe aren't good in English, so they don't know or don't feel confident to explain it.

Anybody using fedora cinnamon , cinnamon comes with MDM or gdm ??

Comes with LDM, sadly. I rather like MDM.

And why you can't install mdm, gdm etc?

my favorite display manager is KDM

and using gnome ?

MDM isn't available, from what I know

I love KDM, but is deprecated. ?

We dont know too much about fedora sorry

It's alright, don't worry ? If you wait a couple of weeks, you can install the latest version, Fedora 24.

Ok i'll try both old and new versions

You can upgrade from Fedora 23, that's the current version, to Fedora 24 in a couple of weeks.

Comes with LDM, sadly. I rather like MDM.

Why does fedora constantly deviate from too many things . . . we default gtk apps default in KDE, cinnamon works best with MDM, . . . I see too much deviation if you move from GNOME

That is very sad for me

??

If you like new stuff, try Workstation. If you like more classic environments, try Cinnamon. @hwpplayer1

Yes, agree @voidspacexyz

And MDM is way more customisable than LDM.

And MDM is way more customisable than LDM.

Exactly . .

I used MDM with Cinnamon in Manjaro... ❤️

I used MDM with Cinnamon in Manjaro... ❤️

Is MDM itself stopping development or just that fedora dosent MDM ??

I think it's just Fedora

But I'm not sure, I should investigate on Mint. They're the main developers for both, Cinnamon and MDM

Is MDM itself stopping development or just that fedora dosent MDM ??

Read it in some fedora forum that MDM was getting slow development. Will verify and let know

Oh, thank you?

!

Slow development =! Deprecated Why they leave it aside? It works fine!

But I'm not sure, I should investigate on Mint. They're the main developers for both, Cinnamon and MDM

Mint 17.2 I saw MDM

Do I suppose only fedora

That's what I thought, that it was a Fedora thing.

Slow development =! Deprecated Why they leave it aside? It works fine!

sound like about Slackware))

Why? Icecat is in Fedora repositories.

Last time I used Icecat I logged in reddit, later when I was trying to log out I couldn't and it was really really funny because the log out button is JavaScript.

It is a chance to see how internet works

If you like new stuff, try Workstation. If you like more classic environments, try Cinnamon. @hwpplayer1

I'll look at that tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0MMHoNQjGw

It is cool

@hwpplayer1 neat

naah.. not neat

someone programming php ?

someone programming php ?

php ???

People Hurt People

someone programming php ?

No and I hope not to return to it

EVER

EVER

Why not? What is wrong with php?

Why not? What is wrong with php?

Its syntax

Its coding style (lack of it)

It's a fractal of bad design

Why not? What is wrong with php?

What is right in php ?

What is right in php ?

At least it does the job right, mostly

At least it does the job right, mostly

Here, read this https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/

At least it does the job right, mostly

You name anyother language, it does the job much clean and better than php . . .

I can’t even say what’s wrong with PHP, because— okay. Imagine you have uh, a toolbox. A set of tools. Looks okay, standard stuff in there. You pull out a screwdriver, and you see it’s one of those weird tri-headed things. Okay, well, that’s not very useful to you, but you guess it comes in handy sometimes. You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. Still serviceable though, I mean, you can hit nails with the middle of the head holding it sideways. You pull out the pliers, but they don’t have those serrated surfaces; it’s flat and smooth. That’s less useful, but it still turns bolts well enough, so whatever. And on you go. Everything in the box is kind of weird and quirky, but maybe not enough to make it completely worthless. And there’s no clear problem with the set as a whole; it still has all the tools. Now imagine you meet millions of carpenters using this toolbox who tell you “well hey what’s the problem with these tools? They’re all I’ve ever used and they work fine!” And the carpenters show you the houses they’ve built, where every room is a pentagon and the roof is upside-down. And you knock on the front door and it just collapses inwards and they all yell at you for breaking their door. That’s what’s wrong with PHP

I can’t even say what’s wrong with PHP, because— okay. Imagine you have uh, a toolbox. A set of tools. Looks okay, standard stuff in there. You pull out a screwdriver, and you see it’s one of those weird tri-headed things. Okay, well, that’s not very useful to you, but you guess it comes in handy sometimes. You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. Still serviceable though, I mean, you can hit nails with the middle of the head holding it sideways. You pull out the pliers, but they don’t have those serrated surfaces; it’s flat and smooth. That’s less useful, but it still turns bolts well enough, so whatever. And on you go. Everything in the box is kind of weird and quirky, but maybe not enough to make it completely worthless. And there’s no clear problem with the set as a whole; it still has all the tools. Now imagine you meet millions of carpenters using this toolbox who tell you “well hey what’s the problem with these tools? They’re all I’ve ever used and they work fine!” And the carpenters show you the houses they’ve built, where every room is a pentagon and the roof is upside-down. And you knock on the front door and it just collapses inwards and they all yell at you for breaking their door. That’s what’s wrong with PHP

That is a very clear description lol

I can’t even say what’s wrong with PHP, because— okay. Imagine you have uh, a toolbox. A set of tools. Looks okay, standard stuff in there. You pull out a screwdriver, and you see it’s one of those weird tri-headed things. Okay, well, that’s not very useful to you, but you guess it comes in handy sometimes. You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. Still serviceable though, I mean, you can hit nails with the middle of the head holding it sideways. You pull out the pliers, but they don’t have those serrated surfaces; it’s flat and smooth. That’s less useful, but it still turns bolts well enough, so whatever. And on you go. Everything in the box is kind of weird and quirky, but maybe not enough to make it completely worthless. And there’s no clear problem with the set as a whole; it still has all the tools. Now imagine you meet millions of carpenters using this toolbox who tell you “well hey what’s the problem with these tools? They’re all I’ve ever used and they work fine!” And the carpenters show you the houses they’ve built, where every room is a pentagon and the roof is upside-down. And you knock on the front door and it just collapses inwards and they all yell at you for breaking their door. That’s what’s wrong with PHP

So what do you suggest to replace php?

python?

python?

Other and that, although python is ultra fast

So what do you suggest to replace php?

Ruby, Python

Hell, even Perl is better

python,bash

do you need something else other than python? :)

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:)

So what do you suggest to replace php?

Python ? ? ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Python ? ? ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

It is so easy to code with python lol ?

It is so easy to code with python lol ?

Dont underestimate the ease in python . . You can code as hard as you want with python

Dont underestimate the ease in python . . You can code as hard as you want with python

Yes but the syntax is easier for beginners

Yes but the syntax is easier for beginners

Try writing it the pythonic way ? Plus do you really want a complex syntax ?

Try writing it the pythonic way ? Plus do you really want a complex syntax ?

No thank you ?

try java ?

try java ?

Have tried

Yes but the syntax is easier for beginners

Try this for complexity ? http://torso.me/chicken

try java ?

We want to get some job done in a day, not just keep reading the syntax !! Dont we ?

Try this for complexity ? http://torso.me/chicken

God that is so difficult to understand ?

God that is so difficult to understand ?

Its amazing . . . You syntax is simple : Just chicken ? Now how do you chicken is the complexity

Try this for complexity ? http://torso.me/chicken

?

Its amazing . . . You syntax is simple : Just chicken ? Now how do you chicken is the complexity

A paradox, which chicken does what and where lol

A paradox, which chicken does what and where lol

Exactly why I suggest Python ? ?

http://tutorialzine.com/2013/12/the-10-weirdest-programming-languages/

This is a good for complexity ?

you may like this too: https://bigzaphod.github.io/COW/

brainfucker ???

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck

you may like this too: https://bigzaphod.github.io/COW/

This human seems to have been in "Writing new language" spree . . .

yeah

lol

i have

some error

in code of upload file

I have similar problem now, how did you achieve that?

i dont know

i dont solve problem yet

?